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The Minimum Wage Is Too Damn Low

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Cohete Rojo, Feb 13, 2013.

  1. AXG

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    I agree. Min wage jobs weren't meant to be long-term. They were supposed to be for like high-schoolers.
     
  2. aggie87

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    if you are over the age of 22 and making mim wage then you screwed up in life by not getting necessary skills/education to make more....
     
  3. otis thorpe

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    such stupid assumptions. lord have mercy
     
  4. MaxRider

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    if they are earning less than the minimum wage then how is the gov increase minimum wage going to help? it's their employer problem not the government
     
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    Thanks aggie
     
  6. Northside Storm

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    What does it say to you that most business models are dependent on minimum wage to make razor thin margins?

    something about unsustainable comes to mind.

    Cheap labour, cheap energy, an infrastructure already built for them, and it's still not enough for business, apparently. At some point, you need to stop feeding the beast.

    Most traditional business models are walking dinosaurs---if three people scheming together about being ballers in San Francisco (Uber) can do better than taxi companies the world over, you need to start wondering how many more fossils there will have to be before people realize.
     
  7. Space Ghost

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    It will be abused, plain and simple. Not everyone wants full time. Additionally, the definition of full time is vague. 32 hours is still considered full time for some.
     
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    There are people that make more than minimum wage too that would be included in minimum wage hikes.

    People that make less than min wage are generally service industry and I think it's time that changed as well. They should be getting half the min wage like it was before the law changed in 1996.
     
  9. Space Ghost

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    Servers get tips as part of their wages. If they do not meet minimum wage with tips included, the restaurant is suppose to make up the difference. If a server is truly not making at least minimum wage, then they should go work at mcdonalds.
     
  10. AXG

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    So if they are operating on "razor thin margins" as you say, how is increasing their costs going to solve anything? I guess it might help a little for those who can stick around but it'll be even worse for all those laid off.
     
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    Lucky they get minimum wage. People are getting paid under the table for gawd sake
     
  12. DOMINATOR

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    minimum wage isnt too low.
    the problem is the same its been for about 10 years. middle class jobs that pay middle class wages are disappearing. Massive corporate companies have created a system that devalues jobs so there are a surplus of skilled workers for very few skilled jobs thus paying the once middle wage job less money. then buy out the competition so only a few companies compete in a market = no small businesses.

    Minimum wages are really not the kind of jobs that will sustain families or people, so why count them as "Employment"? And how much longer can the subsidies for these jobs go on before the nation tanks? Should have a separate stat for part time/minimum wage jobs.

    i also think the stock market is bad for society.
     
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    Dominator


    We ar e becoming more of a service economy. We have to rethink what are middle class jobs.
     
  14. Space Ghost

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    :confused: We HAVE been a service economy. For a very long time.
     
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    What do you consider a long time.
     
  16. Northside Storm

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    I'm tired of people blaming minimum wage workers for having the galls to ask for more (which they clearly deserve based on productivity increases in the median in the last 30 years vs wage increases in the median), and not assigning any blame to companies that, quite simply, have obsolete business models that depend on half of their workers relying on public welfare to get by, and at that, always complain about "razor-low margins".

    When there's smoke there's fire. We live in the age of cheap energy resources, and corporate kow-towing. Time to apply that hard-ass "free market" spirit to companies instead of individuals: if the majority can't survive without dumping half of their labor force onto public welfare rolls and paying them less then their productivity warrants, maybe the rethink has to come on the corporate side, rather than the individual side.

    As Sam has pointed out, Americans are more and more educated, and more and more skilled. Not that it's getting them anywhere.
     
  17. Space Ghost

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    Since we started closing down factories and shipping them oversea. I would say this started in the 70's and 80's.
     
  18. DOMINATOR

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    well then its a good thing i have service technician in my job title. ;)
     
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    The problem is that it just started with that. Now call centers, etc are being shipped overseas. As for manufacturing going overseas, it's a bad thing, and not just economically. In WW2, we were able to use our manufacturing facilities to make equipment for the war effort. Not having manufacturing facilities and supply chains makes us weaker as a nation.
     
  20. Cohete Rojo

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    We've got the nukes.
     

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