lol you angry? look at the stats. the issue has been whether Yao can stay on the court, not his performance on the court. if you think yao's injuries have permanently degraded his performance to where Bosh is significantly superior then You Is Rong. Even down from his 25ppg average of a couple years ago Yao is still very similar to Bosh's overall career stats you can make the argument that Yao will never be healthy (good luck making that statement with any certainty). and Bosh is still getting better every year. but to say that "there is no way no how Yao Ming is better than Chris Bosh" is r****ded
What makes so sure that Scola is just in the middle of a great run? How can you be so sure that the Scola showed overseas, who made awesome seasons to awesome season when he was the go go guy....or carried on the entire argentinian team on their back against US dream team several times......is it impossible to finally appear on NBA, when given the opportunities, as he was recently given (before he had to share his minutes with Landry, and/or there were other guys to score inside)? Could you ellaborate why are you so sure that's it's just a great run?
Because you got to take into considerations the level of competition Scola has been playing against in his current hot streak(wolves, pistons, wizards, nets) with the only exception being Denver, who didn't play the greatest of defense's....thats way his just in a hot streak!! In addition, Scola still doesn't provide the greatest of D and he also lacks height and length, which we need in a 7 game series against the lakers... PS. I would trade Scola & Brooks for Bosh in a heart beat --RB
i never said scola was better than bosh, but you really should research bosh a bit. if you look at rebound% then you would see that scola and bosh are pretty comparable rebouders. also, it's not as if bosh blocks a ton of shots. he has only been averaging 1 block per game over the past 3 years. further, his defense isn't exactly stellar. he has the tools and length to be a great defender but the bottom line is the defensive production hasn't been there. bosh is a great offensive player, gets to the line a ton, scores a ton, and handles double teams effectively. that's why he is better than scola and not for the rebounding and blocked shots you mentioned.
fwiw scola's d-rating is better than bosh and his defensive win shares are slightly better than bosh's.
I would counter your argument about the level of competition with the fact Bosh gets to play those teams on a regular basis unlike Scola only twice a year. I hate this stat but I'll go ahead and use it for this argument because I think Scola will be a 36 minute a game guy from now on, Scola and Bosh's per 36 min stats are virtually identical except for 6 more ppg and .8 more rpg. In reality the offensive improvement would be minimal, just looking at the numbers, and defensively I see Bosh being a better defender but the games I've seen him play he doesn't really enjoy the paint as much preferring to step out on the perimeter. This will be one BIG decision by Morey and I honestly haven't a clue what he should do. I will almost say it's a win win but Morey never does what's expect so who knows because I don't.
I don't understand the dilemma. I don't see it as Scola or Bosh. It will either be Scola or Bosh and Scola. Yao, Bosh, and Scola would be a devastating frontcourt. Battier, Jeffries, and little something else would be needed to balance salary. Rockets would have to use trade exception to take a player from Toronto to make it easier to swallow Jeffries's contract for a season. Budinger, Llull, and first round draft picks would be what Toronto will want. Morey can pull the old, "Well if you don't trade Bosh to NY, NY will suck, and these draft picks will be extra nice" schtick. Brooks may have to be thrown in as well, but I see Morey trying to only trade future assets and non rotation players. I don't see Scola as part of a deal. Granted, I think it may be more likely that the Rockets just try to trade up in draft this season.
I'm a bit surprised that trading Yao for Bosh is even a topic for discussion. As abc2007 pointed out, Yao coming off of serious foot surgery means that Toronto wouldn't do that deal over the summer even if they wanted to, and it looks logical that Bosh is going to make his decision this summer. If Yao is playing at a high level by next season's trade deadline, I can't imagine Les agreeing to any trade of the big guy. In short (or tall, in this case), Yao isn't going anywhere unless he opts out of his contract, which is another thing I don't see happening.
Reasons to trade for Bosh: 1. We need a franchise player (cause I don't see Yao lasting long) 2. Bosh is 25 and in his prime. While Luis and Bosh have similar production, I don't think Luis will be able to give us that kind of production down the road. With Bosh, we are investing in the present and solidifying our future.
The whole Bosh/Scola thing would be great because neither teams has any guarantees on retaining those players - since they're free agents after this year... anything is something for nothing. What are the #s anyway? JUST GUESSTIMATING on next year #s.... Figurin max + Bird for Bosh is what 18-20M? Scola will get 8-10M.... meaning we need to send 10M more back... If they want AB...thats 1.5-2M - with 3 other pgs (banks/cauldron/jack) they'd want us to take one back... thats 5-9M comin back... we get rid of Jeffries crappy contract as an offset (7M?) - they bump an overpaid pg who we pair with a resigned Lowry.. We throw an expiring Battier (8M?) and and hopefully Taylor (2M?) and not Chase (2M) to make up the initial 10M diff... Resign Lowry (figure 5M is generous - or go FA for the 5M) Resigning Chuck or Armstrong would depend on FA pool vs cost.... Package the NY picks (meaning essentially our first next year and the extra from them the year after) and get a pick this year for a solid rookie sg... or draft a young big and find a FA sg... Yao (20)/Anderson (3)/ FA (2) Bosh (18)/Hill (3) / FA (2) Ariza (7)/Chase (2) Kmart (10)/1st draft pick (2) Lowry (5)/(jack/banks/caulderon) (6?) ....for a total of 78M ......that would be pretty sweet.... And Toronto walks away with a resigned Scola, a cheap 1 yr AB, a 2yr minimal Taylor contract, a then expiring Jeffries and Battier 1 yr contracts, and they get out of a multi year deal with an overpaid pg... for a player they probably wont retain... pretty sweet on their end... It's beautiful... lol
Can someone find where Scola said he would like playing in Toronto,even if he never has a chance in hell to win a ring there.Thanks
Scola's gonna get paid! Whatever the market is gonna pay him 8-10M.. Moreys gonna toss on another 10% (since he aint payin it -lol), Scola's gonna hookup Morey since he got him over here... oh, and take the money lol.
You can't just use raw numbers like that, they don't accurately reflect a player's impact. Statistically, David Lee is one of the best big men in the league. A 20p/12r/3.5a star should be untouchable, right? Yet we all know NY would let him walk if they could get someone like Chris Bosh or Pau Gasol. Lee is a good player that puts up fantastic numbers, but he can't draw double teams and isn't all that skilled. Scola's a better player overall even if his stats are less gaudy. Bosh's skills are on a whole other level than Scola's.
Very true which is why I hate using that particular stat but we all know what Scola is about and how he plays while Bosh is the overall the better player but the argument isn't just who is better but who is better for this team. I don't think both will be here because it would probably cause us to be WAY over the LT and have nearly 40 million tied up in 3 players(Bosh, Scola, Yao). The production is relavent IMO because Scola is now playing starters minutes with no alternative, Landry, waiting to pick up the slack while Bosh for all his greatness has never been on THIS team with THESE players so I gues its a case of the devil you know instead of the one you don't. Lee has great stats but your right he is not elite however we do not know what he will look like in a Rox uniform or how he will perform unlike Bosh/Scola we can pretty much pencil in their production right now because we've seen what both can do at their peak levels. I don't like labeling Bosh soft because I don't think he is but the games I have seen of him he seems to not be to interested in mixing it up in the paint while Scola is a pitbull having no issues getting dirty with anyone. Again, I think it has more to do with Scola then Bosh, what do you do with the guy and his nice little pay increase and will this team miss his game?
The honest truth of all this is: Re-sign Scola to a four-year deal. He likes it here anyway. Get the best big you can get in this draft, either with this year's pick OR Use this year's pick + a 2012 pick (ours or NY's) to move up for the 4/5 we want OR Trade our pick + whatever for a young big in the league already (GS' Randolph?) Let Jordan Hill + New Rocket 4/5 get some seasoning as backups to Yao and Scola. You'd have depth and chemistry and you wouldn't have to throw your entire team away on a trade for Bosh.
Of course, the Knicks would let him go in a heart beat to get Bosh over Lee. Bosh is better than Lee. That is what GMs are suppose to do. I think the Knicks would keep Lee over Gasol. Three years younger, better defense, and almost as good offense.
In what league would Lee be better than Gasol? I don't understand the lovefest that we have for David Lee. He is undersized even for PF. He provides no weakside help and no rim protection. He is everything we don't need next to an immobile Yao.
