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The Kubiak Question

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Rocket River, Oct 10, 2010.

  1. Landlord Landry

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    I'm not really sure what you are getting at but Mike Tomlin ends this discussion.

    so does Sean Peyton. goodnight now.
     
  2. JayGoogle

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    Lol I see. My point just went completely over your head, which was a direct counter to your crystal ball argument that you don't pay 10mil for one superbowl in 15 years. The point was this, with you logic you would not have hired Bill Belichick because he had not won a superbowl before he got to NE.

    What is funnier though is that a Texan fan wouldn't even take that...when the Texans haven't won **** since their birth.

    No not really. If anything they make Kubiak look worse. Also Mike Tomlin also has one superbowl Along with Sean Payton what makes them better coaches than Cowher or Gruden?

    Does your crystal ball tell you that Tomlin and Payton will go on to win 2 more superbowls or something? I don't get it? They all have one superbowl win...

    You looking for a dynasty head coach bro, in the NFL there are only one or two guys like that. Only one now is Belichick.

    ALL the other 'great' coaches have one or two superbowls to their name so I have no idea why you think Cowher isn't worth the money because he's only won 'one' superbowl.
     
  3. Rocket River

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    Why was the Defense so good last year?
    Did Frank become a moron in the off season?

    Rocket River
     
  4. Raven

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    How about this?

    Anyone but Kubiak.
     
  5. BucMan55

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    Isn't that what we said with Capers??
     
  6. emjohn

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    I'm going to out and say it: I think Kubiak sub/consciously goes away from Foster because Arian has rubbed him the wrong way with early attitude issues. I think to some degree it's personal. It almost has to be for Kubiak to be so disinclined to find ways to use what may be his best weapon on offense.

    I want him gone, but McNair won't even lean on him until Reliant empties out and the stadium concession receipts drop.




    We played a creampuff schedule.

    Robinson, Cushing, Ryans, and Pollard kept the defense relatively fired up after the first few games, and Mario was healthy throughout.
     
  7. theimpossibles1

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    With the Colts loss this division is still anyone's for the taking. I say we revamp the defense starting with a coaching change. Whatever was working last year obviously isn't anymore. Sure we will have to rebuild/learn a little bit but we can't get any worse can we?
     
  8. conquistador#11

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    The good news..the division can still be won.

    The bad news.. we will still have the same coaching staff. =(


    Today's lost was so painful, that I didnt even listen to the postgame show on the radio. It was a first for me.
     
  9. codell

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    I have serious doubt that there is a Foster/Kubes rift. Kubes may not be a great coach, but he doesn't appear to be so hard-headed that he would cut his nose off to spite his face.

    I think Kubes' issues are 1) Trying to be too clever throughout the game and 2) Not having his team prepared to start the game and/or start the 2nd half.

    When you are averaging 6 yards a rush, there is just no excuse not to get the 1 yard you need on both 4 and 1s there in the 2nd half. The first 4th and 1, I had no issued with Ward being in there (hey he's done well this year), but I thought the off tackle run to the strong side was a bad call, even though it worked earlier. The 2nd 4th and 1 was just plain dumb on about 3 or 4 different levels. I think after seeing that, I finally realized Kubes was indeed over his head. There was no reason that play should have unfolded in the manner it did.

    Not having your team to play to start a half and not being able to anticipate adjustments from the other team is just getting old. Another sign IMHO that Kubes may be over his head.

    I also think a few things are compounding the head coaching issues:

    1) The switch from Shannahan to Dennison as OC has thrown off the passing game for whatever reason. I think Kyle has a lot more creativity as far as getting receivers open vs. Dennison. Schaub has had to throw into a lot more tight coverage than I recall seeing last year. Schaub just doesn't have a strong enough arm to get away with zipping passes into tight coverage. The lack of protection hasn't helped, but last year, even under pressure, Schaub stood well in the pocket as long as receivers were open. Bottom line, our receivers aren't as open this year as last year, despite having the same personnel. My conclusion would be that is on the scheme, which would be Dennison's responsibility..

    2) Lack of talent on D. Pollard coming in last year with a chip on his shoulder I think allowed him to play a bit above his head and not get exposed as a poor cover guy. His chip is gone and his lack of cover skills just compound the issues w/ the CBs. Cushing was a monster last year, and out of all of the starters on D, I feel he was the biggest playmaker. He isn't this year, for whatever reason. In addition to Pollard & Cushing, Quin hasn't taken that next step that most though he would after his good rookie year. And then there is KJ. Not much to say there. Bottom line is, right now, we have no pass rush from the D line, a very mediocre LB core and a disastrous secondary. That being said, we have enough talent to at least be mediocre on D IMHO, so I think Bush should be on the hot seat for not getting the best he can out of them.


    At this point, Kubes needs to show some desperation and some tough love. I don't care if McCain, McMannis or Molden are worse than KJ. Demote KJ to nickel/dime duty and give someone else a chance. Casey did well today. Give him a chance. It appears he had a knack for getting open. Less Jacoby. He had 3-4 critical drops this year. Last year, no big deal, but with Schaub struggling, give DA a chance. Give Sharpton a chance to make some plays. And some may not like this, but Pollard needs to at least start splitting time with Nolan, especially on long 3rd downs. Pollar just hasn't been strong enough in run support to justify allowing him to be in there on pass plays that expose his lack of coverage skills.


    That is all. Damn that was therapeutic.
     
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  10. Kate81

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    Personally... I would give Kubiak another contract extension.
     
  11. Raven

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    In trying to appear clever, he looks even dumber, and Kubiak has always had trouble getting the Texans pumped for big games, not that Uncle Bob seems to care.
     
  12. liljojo

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    How would you suggest McNair express his displeasure? Call out his people publicly and destroy any semblance of respect this team has towards our coaching staff? Awesome idea!

    I have no problem with people calling out the owner for questionable hirings or dumb moves. I do, however, take offense to people calling out owners' fandom. You may say that the Texans are simply a financial investment, but isn't that all the more reason to root for a team? Say you put 50 bucks on the Pats to win tomorrow night. Doesn't that make you root for the Pats just a little harder? Now take that 50 bucks and multiply it by around 100,000,000.

    I would never question anyone in here's fandom, and would be pissed if any of you questioned mine. We should extend that courtesy to every fan, particularly the one who made NFL football in this town possible in the first place.

    Or do I need to go off on my "Lay the f*** off this town's owners" rant again?
     
  13. Raven

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    How should Uncle Bob express his displeasure?

    Um, tough question, lemme think.

    Oh wait, how about this?


    Fire Kubiak!

    no accountability

    none
     
  14. liljojo

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    I don't like Kubiak either. I think he's a horrible coach, and he singlehandedly lose us a few more games this season.

    I also think firing him midseason will lose us even more, and make it harder to find a good coach to replace him. Were 4-4, and still have a shot (albeit a long one) at winning the division. It isn't time to give up on the season yet.

    If I was McNair, I'd wait till the end of the season and see how it plays out. Anything less than an AFC championship, and I fire Kubiak.
     
  15. rockets934life

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    http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2010/11/post_171.html
     
  16. david_rocket

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    I supported Kubiak, but he has made terrible coaching moves.
    Especially about not rushing more the ball with Arian Foster, last week against the Colts!

    On week 1, they did a lot of run plays, and won.
    This week philly did a lot of running too, (195 total rush yards, Michael Vick got 74 yards rushing)

    But last week, he didnt do that!
    The best way to stop Manning is keeping him on the bench, and run the clock, and you do it with runs!
     
  17. ima_drummer2k

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    I don't log on during weekends, so I'm a little late here, but...

    I never said the team quits on the coach. I just think they play better once the pressure is off. Could that be a reflection of the coach? A coach who can't even bare to watch his kicker attempt a game-winning FG? I don't know.

    All I was saying is that the mid-season losing streak and ensuing strong finish has become a pattern with this coaching regime. I'm not arrogant enough to say what exactly the problem is - or how to fix it. But it IS a problem. A consistent problem.
     
  18. Hey Now!

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    I've thought all along he needed 10 wins (or a cataclysmic injury) to save his job. And while this team seems to always close strong - if you put a gun to my head, I don't think they'll finish 6-2 and, thus – I don’t think he’ll be back. The looming lock-out and contract extension might make it difficult to fire him (and/or might make it difficult to replace with a big name; read: a big contract) but I don't think McNair can bring him back with 9 or fewer wins - unless they sneak into the playoffs. And I think – think – McNair is going to warm to the idea of really energizing the fan base with a big hire (if he can pull it off). Can you imagine what it’ll be like in this city if they brought in Cowher? (BTW - a name I think (hope?) *might* emerge... Jimmy Johnson. I can't imagine he's not looking at this roster and salivating. Surely he wants to redeem his tenure in Miami, right?)

    Overall, I think Kubiak will (eventually) be remembered for doing more good than bad. He took over a wretched roster and has built a nice, young foundation that is cap-friendly.

    But he used 4 "day one" picks on projects (after trading 2 more for Schaub – a project himself), including a serviceable Amobi Okoye (who, while not awful, was not worthy of a top 10 pick), Jacoby Jones, Antwaun Molden and Connor Barwin. (Note Duane Brown was *another* high-pick project who has panned out decently.) Kareem Jackson (who I didn’t include because he’s still a rookie) may eventually be OK but he's right now another unproven talent that looks like he might help sink the ship. Okoye, Jones, Molden and Barwin (plus Jackson) are all top 79 picks that are not, right now, making the team better. Add in Ben Tate (who, it turns out, Kubiak didn’t even need, which is on him for burying Foster so much of last year) – and you’re looking at 7 top-79 picks that have essentially yielded Matt Schaub in terms of consistent production. Not good. Meanwhile, the team hired two rookie defensive coordinators, two rookie offensive coordinators and a rookie GM. At some point, there has to be an urgency; this isn't a developmental league.

    Another complaint is that I think he lacks respect/understanding of certain positions. I certainly understand the importance of scheme, but I've never understood why he thought scheme trumped talent. I know Denver had a host of 1,000-yard rushers - but none of them were as good as Portis in his two years there. He dilly-dallied with the RBs, the OL and the secondary (specifically the safeties) for far too long - and I think it'll end up costing him.

    Lastly, and perhaps most importantly – he’s starting to outsmart/coach himself, which is a sign that he’s either clueless (I don’t think that’s the case), insecure or really, really tight – all horrible traits for an NFL head coach. He’s thinking wayyyyyyyyyy too much – I mean, I could have developed a better game plan for the Colts game, and I sure as heck-fire could have drawn up a better second half game plan yesterday – and it’s not because I’m smart: It’s because what he should have done was that blatantly obvious. That he’s continually fixing what ain’t broke is a sign he’s trying to do way too much. A good head coach dances with the date that brung ‘em.
     
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  19. Hey Now!

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    But I don’t think seasons should be measured by segments. They were a 9-7 team. Had they won 1 of the 4 (or was it 5?) games they lost in a row, then they likely would have lost one of the 4 games they won to close the season. It all balances out.

    I’m not absolving Kubiak at all – I’m just warming to the idea this isn’t an 11-win team. It’s an 8-to-10-win team. If you want to argue Kubiak, the coach, is the difference between 9 and 10 wins, OK – I disagree. I’d argue Kubiak the general manager is the bigger problem.
     
  20. No Worries

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    I wish Kubiak would make better calls.

    Or maybe I should wish that the Texans would execute the plays that he calls.

    Or maybe I should wish that the Texans had better players who do not need everything to go right in order to execute the plays.

    Why blame Kubiak, when we can blame the whole damn organization?
     

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