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The Kubiak Question

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Rocket River, Oct 10, 2010.

  1. ItsMyFault

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    Sure, it's not bad, but the fact is, this team has the potential to do even BETTER even with the strength of schedule being high. Suspensions and injuries are a given for any team... but honestly, how many of those suspensions/injuries have had an impact in any of those 3 losses this season?


    Not making the playoffs. While 10-6 may be a great record and yes his track record may look above par, the fact that we missed the playoffs last season and this season should be enough. 2/3 losses this year can be pinned on Kubiak.
     
  2. Hey Now!

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    So you're going to fire a coach that just posted a "great" record and has been "above par"?

    I disagree - a different gameplan - even a *better* gameplan; hell: a *perfect* gameplan - Monday night doesn't guarantee success, especially against that team in that building on that stage. Keep in mind: for all the consternation over not running more, Schaub's interception was the backbreaker. And that's on Schaub and/or Walter.

    He was outcoached in the Giants' game. But his players were also outplayed. Again, not sure a better gameplan moves the dial much on that game; New York was, and probably is, the better team.
     
  3. desihooper

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    Rosencopter turned informant allegedly had a lot to do with the Giants defense seemingly knowing what we were going to run and how to stop it before we snapped the ball :mad:
     
  4. Raven

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    I hope Uncle Bob has it in him to fire Kubiak if the Texans lose their next game.
     
  5. wakkoman

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    While I'd like a coaching change immediately, Kubiak will not be fired if this team goes 10-6.
     
  6. KingCheetah

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    Jumping in late here, but... Does Kubiak have some sort of weird superstition about running the ball in the first half?

    Thanks, i'll hang up and listen.
     
  7. rhino17

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    Didn't San Diego fire their coach after going 13-3?
     
  8. rockets934life

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    If we go 10-6 and lose out of the playoffs by 1 game because we couldn't beat a horrible Cowboys' team @home...Kubes NEEDS to be fired.
     
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  9. ItsMyFault

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    I just think a change has to be made.... we've made all the necessary changes on the field. No doubt, we'll probably make more, especially on defense... but missing the playoffs again for this team is going to be a huge let down.
     
  10. Major

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    But in this scenario, you're arguing that they player harder/better after their think their coach might be on the verge of getting fired. By definition, that means they aren't playing their hardest/best the rest of the season.

    Fair enough - I do think it's a negative though. It means the coach is not able to get the players to play their best when it counts. Alternatively, it could be the Greg Davis syndrome, where Kubiak gets far more aggressive and coaches to win instead of not-to-lose only when it no longer matters. That's OK if you learn from it, but if it happens year after year, that also reflects poorly on the coach.
     
  11. rhino17

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    I dont care how many games they win, Kubiak is not maximizing potential. He cost this team 2-3 games on his shoulders alone last year which resulted in them missing the playoffs.. He has never won them a game, but he has cost them plenty.
     
  12. Hey Now!

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    Far from his fault. The Texans twice settled for FGs after driving inside the Cowboy 3-yard line - that failure is on the players.
     
  13. Hey Now!

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    Wait a second... last year, their offense finished 4th overall and averaged 24.2 points/game. This year, they're 7th overall offensively and averaging 24.3 points/game? Did that offense design itself? Is Schaub in the huddle drawing up plays in the dirt?

    A little too convenient to hang losses on him but give him no credit for wins. I thought he put on a coaching clinic in the first Colt game this year, for instance.
     
  14. Hey Now!

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    I'm not really arguing anything. I'm merely pointing out that the team doesn't quit on its coach, which speaks well of Kubiak.
     
  15. Hey Now!

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    I disagree with this - why are we dismissive of those final 4 games? Two 9-7 teams made the playoffs last year; the Texans, who finished 9-7, were the last team eliminated from playoff contention. I fail to see how that's insignificant, especially given the manner in which NY secured the final spot.

    Again, I'm not excusing them; they lost to the Jets head-to-head - they didn't *deserve* to make the playoffs. But they were definitive contenders, and from week 14 on, did exactly what they had to do to become contenders.
     
  16. Hey Now!

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    14-2; and frankly - it was a mistake. But Schottenheimer had a reputation and he failed to live it down. If Kubiak pulls 10 wins out of this season, it'll mark the 3rd consecutive year his team has improved upon the previous year's win totals. And he'll likely have them in playoff contention for the second year in a row.

    Given his extension and a looming strike, if he goes 10-6, he will be definitively be back next year. Only scenario I can see in which he goes 10-6 and doesn't come back is if he enters the final two games 10-4 and loses to Denver and Jacksonville to keep the Texans out of the playoffs.
     
  17. Luckyazn

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    I believe the differences between Kubiak and say Cowher is if we had a Cowher or a better coach, is winning those 2 more games during the season that's needed to get into the playoff.

    Maybe with Kubiak we'll be 9-7

    but Cowher can get those extras wins on this team to 10-6 or 11-5.

    I dont think we stand a chance this yr making the wild cards with the way

    Balt and the Jets are playing

    If lets say NE, Pitts and KC wins their division, and we dont win ours

    How I would rank the wild card teams left:

    1. Balt
    2. Jets
    3. Titans
    4. Chargers
    5. Texans
    6. Miami
     
  18. rockets934life

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    And who picked the players??? Look I was a Kubiak backer for quite sometime but the guy's faults have beaten me into submission. In the Cowboys' game the group looked unprepared and got SEVERELY outplayed by a BAD team at home. At the time we overlooked it because it APPEARED the Cowboys had the talent of a good team but it's obvious now they don't.
     
  19. Hey Now!

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    Oh, I know. I'm not advocating keeping Kubiak, per se - I'll wait to see how the season plays out first.

    I think the sting of losing to Dallas has maybe blurred some fans' memories of that game. While not a shinning moment, the defense held Dallas to a single TD in the first half, and just 10 points overall, while the offense moved inside the Dallas 35 on 2 of its first 3 possessions, including reaching their 5-yard line. With 12 minutes left, after Houston again failed to score from inside the Dallas 5, it was still just 17-6. And then the bottom fell out.

    Again, I'm not arguing they should have won, or that it wasn't a dumbfounding loss - but I thought - my opinion, of course - that the players got outplayed more than the coaches got outcoached.
     
  20. Hey Now!

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    Maybe. Here's the thing, though - how does Cowher turn four opportunities last year to turn winnable games when it was the players - and not the coaches - who fell short? What does he do differently that ensures Kris Brown hits his makeable field goals and Chris Brown scores from a yard out? (Actually, one of the games was indeed on Kubiak - the halfback option in Jacksonville; so 3 of 4.)

    And let's not assume Cowher would have built as effective a passing game as Kubiak did last year, which is what carried that offense. You can't just assume all the good things Kubiak has done would remain while Cowher wipes out the bad - that's a little disingenuous, imo.
     

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