The "Joe Barley Cares" on the Rockets

Yeah, ummm... I think hate directed towards VG is a bit misguided. Especially in light of what another good coach is doing with the same talent.

 

If you don't believe that Van Gundy would be crushing opponents with this squad, your hatred has blinded you more than I thought.

 

That is dead wrong to compare Deke w/ Joe Barely Cares. Deke cheers louder than seven avergae Rockets fans combined. He's just old, slow & uncoordinated, that's all. HE DEFINITELY CARES, THOUGH.

The #1 "Joe Barly Cares" is the Rockets Fans that attend the games. They are more concerned with scarfing down canned cheese. Even the copious amounts of beer for sale cannot rouse the dead animal that is the Rockets fan. I am told to sit down and quiet down nearly every game I attend simply becuase I care.

 

Yea, cause the Rockets have been excellent recently at identifying and picking the correct first rounders... therefore it must be JVG's fault.

 

Let me make it simple for ya.

When JVG left his regulars in the game to beat Denver in a meaningless game, it cost the team Brandon Roy, whom they were targeting in the draft.

That was just another mistake that JVG made that is hurting the team in the long run.

DD

 

Charles Jones could play!

 

I don't remember Adelman's Portland team had leadership problems. Even his Sacramento team, with a notoriously weak-minded star named Webber, had it going pretty well.

BTW, can anyone tell me why didn't T-Mac "quit on the coaching staff" at the beginning of the season when he was tearing it up on the court?

 

Will the church say Amen?

 

you guys are weak if you're knocking Deke.......dude has always played with passion, is giving as hell, came back to play another season (even after he thought he was under utilized against the Jazz), is constantly showing energy on the bench, and imo probably still has some game left in him, but ricky won't play him because of his designed "offense"......

 

You're so delusional and easily the most frustrating poster on this board who for some unknown reason caters a lot of respect. It's always one sided statements that lack any objectivity and only suits your view points which are so skewed, even when you're proven wrong. Aside from the 12th man scrub you always seem to cheer for as a savior for this team which even I find admirable, your posts are half assed and stubborn. Even now you can't admit that JVG got the most out of this Rockets team and was an expert at covering up the blaring holes of our slow footed unathletic roster, and turned it into the top 5 defensive teams year in and year out despite, usually only trailing the likes of the Spurs in opponents FG%.

I mean did it ever occur to you that if JVG had the offense to run a mix of an up tempo offense like the 04-05 team he might have actually emphasized it? And that their lack of advancement in the playoffs wasn't in large part his fault, but his soft All-stars? And that he recognized that the team's make up is best suited to revolve around a slower tempoed game to allow Yao to dominate and catered to set shooters instead? And that he did not in fact command the make up of the roster as you would ignorantly claim? Face the facts. JVG established an identity around a bunch of softies, and did not allow them to let up or make excuses when they sucked. And when the team sucked, he said as much in a brutally honest fashion similar to the small number of intelligent fans on this board who are in fact objective about this team's strengths and weaknesses.

JVG worked with what limited talent around Yao and McGrady he had and made the most out of it. Contrary to popular belief Adelman is doing the same as well. Just he's been given a bunch of over the hill players along side an injury plagued soft All-Star in McGrady, and a legitimate secondary All-Star with heart but is incapable of carrying the team. The Rockets needed a hard ass, and they fired one who was just that.

The Rockets failures this season falls on the players, and shouldn't be blamed on Adelman or any coach after firing JVG, but hiring a player's coach is not beneficial for this roster, as much as a guy who will bust your ass and slack off if you don't come prepared. Different coaching styles that work with a roster better suited to their basketball philosophy, but unfortunately Adelman doesn't exactly have a roster of athletic in their prime players who can create shots for themselves as long as Yao is in the game, and when Yao is out, are incapable of making even 35% of their buckets in a smooth motion offense. Again not Adelman's blame. But it also wasn't JVG's fault either. Blame the players. Not the coach, past or present. Get it through your thick skull, that its not JVGs fault, nor is it Adelmans.

It baffles me how you defer blame on JVG but give Morey and CD a free pass for their draft picks like passing up Gay in such a carefree manner. Where's the vehement one sided posts from you in moves like that and years past? Let the JVG blame go, and be objective.

 

What JVG would do with this squad is irrelevent
cause
he would never have this squad

His history shows he prefers to trade away young talend for veteran help
People can say blame the GM for the picks etc
but
I think JVG has some say in those things
[I know I know . .JVG said he didn't . . so his word is golden and it could not be so]

If JVG was here. . . i suspect Bonzi, Francis, and Scola would not be here
and I have doubts about MJames. Brooks and Novak would still be in the D-league so no change there.

Rocket River

 

I think you're right on some players. Wrong on others. I think Francis, and Bonzi probably wouldn't be here, but I'm sure he'd have loved to have Scola on his roster, as well as MJames who he tried convince personally by visiting James house to join the Rockets. I don't think Brooks would be on this team since it appears that was Adelman's golden child this draft, but of the players you mentioned that I think likely wouldn't have been on this roster if JVG was still coach; What have they done while being on this team except show inconsistency? Bonzi has had a few big games, but has had more droughts than anything. Francis has played within the offense a few times, but its obvious he's a shell of his former self. Brooks hasn't even seen hardly any playing time under Adelman so I don't think you could fault JVG if he kept Brooks on the pine either. Novak is in the D-League for a reason, and Adelman is aware of it, like JVG was.

I think you have a stigma that JVG doesn't like rookies, but I disagree. He doesn't like lazy rookies. Head was a rookie that received 27 minutes his first season, and 28 minutes his second. Landry I think would flourish much like Hayes under JVG, and might have seen more playing time under him than Adelman, and Novak would likely still be in the D-League where he belongs right now. Of course this all speculation, but frankly so are your statements.

 

I don't give anyone a pass, but go back to the end of the season where Yao and Tmac were hurt, we were in full tank mode...and JVG played his full compliment of veterans to win a meaningless game in Denver which cost us the chance to take Roy.

Bad...bad move for the franchise in the long run.

But, to be fair...CD should have told JVG to tank.....

So it is a community failure.

DD