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The Islamist Challenge to the U.S. Constitution

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by gwayneco, Apr 5, 2006.

  1. giddyup

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    How about they do it for the money for their family? If money is not essential, why is is part and parcel of the behavior?
     
  2. Deckard

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    One can argue about where the money went, and how it was used, but the intent of Saddam was not altruistic. He clearly was attempting to reward armed resistance to Israel's occupation, post 1967, up to and including suicide bombers. Saddam was supporting terrorism in that respect. I've said before that too little was made of this, pre-invasion. Instead, the Bush Administration chose to mislead, obscure, confuse, and downright lie to the American people, and the world, during the run-up to the invasion.

    In my opinion, a cessation of Saddam's death bounties would have been readily agreed to in order to forestall the imminent attack. Saddam was willing to make all manner of concessions, if it meant staying in power. Bush was never interested in concessions by Saddam. I really thought Bush would squeeze Saddam for all he was worth... Saddam was that desperate. Had Bush done that, along with continuing the assault on al-Qaeda that had still been in full swing, following the successful war in Afghanistan, then we would see a vastly different world today.



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  3. blazer_ben

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    At the end of the day, saddamb was'nt willing to hand over his oil fields in basra and in the north to the americans and the british. greed, breeds bloodshed and the loss of innocence.
     
  4. CreepyFloyd

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    what explains others around the world doing this? if you really think that a person is willing to kill themselves for x amount of dollars then, with all due respect, you're living in a fantasy world.

    this is a tactic that is employed by some. japanese didnt get any financial compensation during wwii. lebanese didnt get any financial compensation in their struggle to liberate their land from illegal israeli occupation. iranian soldiers didnt either. the anarchists in late 19th and early 20th century europe didnt get any money either. all of the previously mentioned groups used suicide operations.

    suicide operations as a form of resistance in the palestinian struggle to liberate their land had been going on long before saddam offered money to the families...thus, there is no connection as far as a rise or decline in suicide operations after saddam offered $ to the families....some people are just willing to die for their cause as hard as it is for you to belive....thus, to say that they're doing it for the money or so that their families will receive money is pretty far out there

    stupidmonker is obviously a strong supporter of israel and the fact that israel is in violation of countless un security council and general assembly resolutions, broken many international laws, and had the World Court, which is filled with conservative judges, declare that israel's wall is illegal, and is illegally occupying land since 1967 doesn't bother him

    its funny, sad, and hypocritical how the iaea and unsc are being manipulated and a "threat" is being manufacture vis-a-vis iran, but despite all the aforementioned israeli violations, nothing is done

    i still dont consider providing financial compensation to the families of those who engaged in suicide operations a form of sponsoring terrorism, because as i said earlier this tactic has been used for a very long period of time without monetary rewards being offered to their families

    what we should look at is how israel engagaes in collective punishment like house demolitions and destroys all the property of the families of suicide bomber...this is an important point, because most of the time the families arent even aware of what is going on in relation to the suicide operation

    honestly i dont think this even went on that much, thus, i dont even see why we're spending so much time discussing it....whatever you may think of this tactic, it's a byproduct of the illegal israeli occupation and that occupation is the cause of all this...as former israeli officials have said, israel has engaged in terrorism and sponsored it as well....this should be the topic of discussion not saddam hussein, who has no history of sponsoring terrorism despite what you may think

    last, ive already given my recommendations to reduce terrorism
     
  5. Sishir Chang

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    Whenever the point comes up that Saddam gave money to the families of suicide bombers and therefore supported terrorists I am compelled to point out that our allies in the Gulf and Saudi Arabia have done the same and have given lots of money to Hamas and other Palestinian groups.
     
  6. HayesStreet

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    Is that the state giving money as a reward to terrorism, or people inside the state giving money?
     
  7. Deckard

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    Hey! Then I guess you can send them to the UN, and we can turn our discussions to the November elections. Glad we got that cleared up! Folks, you heard it first in D&D. Soon to be a headline worldwide... CreepyFloyd solves terrorism!!



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  8. Invisible Fan

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    I suspect Saddam would've handed a considerable percentage of oil to the Americans and British. We just didn't want any strings attached. There was a similar deal before the first Gulf War that Bush 1 unilaterally rejected.

    In the post 9/11 atmosphere, an alliance with Saddam would've proved beneficial on the War on Terror as they both ideologically opposed radical fundamentalism. Sure it would've reeked hypocrisy, but no more than supporting a nuclear black sheep who's ruler came to power by a military coup (enemy of my enemy etc...).

    It was the powers that be in our government that decided Saddam had to go. The intents are still debatable, but it's evident that Saddam was going down no matter what.
     
  9. Sishir Chang

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    Both.
     
  10. giddyup

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    MY fantasy world? Where are my 72 virgins... :confused:
     
  11. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    We should take them down as well, but that is another discussion.
     
  12. blazer_ben

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    Probaly. what suprises me to this very day is, the american goverment went and picked on the most secular country in the region. saddam-insane for all his faults, he never supported islamic facists. he infact killed many of the radicals who wanted turn iraq into a islamic republic.the bush family had a long held venddetta for this guy.
     
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    Khomenie is the godfather of modern terrorisim. and the iranian people are the biggest victims of it.
     
  14. Sishir Chang

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    Very true. Especially since not a single 9/11 hijacker came from Iraq while 15 came from Saudi Arabia.
     
  15. ChrisBosh

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    so the U.S should have invaded Saudi. :D ...that would have been WWIII.
     
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    But they already control the Saudi's Oil supply, why would they need to go there?
     
  17. CreepyFloyd

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    with all due respect, this is the dumbest thing i've ever heard

    stick to the facts blazer ben
     
  18. CreepyFloyd

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    i dont understand why you had to go out of your way to mock me....i never claimed to have solved terrorism, i just posted some recommendations that i believe will reduce it. I'm glad you got such a kick out of that
     
  19. blazer_ben

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    Yeah, it was'nt khomenie and his regime which commited the beruit bombings in 1983. killing over 200 innocent us soldiers. it was'nt khomenie and his thugs who created hezbollah. it was'nt khomenie who orderd the excecution of many bahais, jews and christian in iran. not to mention the treatment of of sunnis. dude, wakeup and smell the coffe, you islamic fascists dont have a place in the modern world. time to go back to 1500 years ago.
     
  20. CreepyFloyd

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    can you stop calling me and others names?

    and please provide proof and evidence to backup your statements or else people are just gonna ignore you and think you're a raving lunatic

    thank you
     

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