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The IRS Targets Conservatives

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bobmarley, May 11, 2013.

  1. mc mark

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    careful basso, you'll pee yourself
     
  2. bobmarley

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    Do you ever plan to add anything meaningful to the discussion?
     
  3. DaleDoback

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    Yeah.....says the guy that has blown up the Benghazi topic with 90% news articles and 10% commentary.

    http://www.salon.com/2013/05/14/when_the_irs_targeted_liberals/

    Found this on a buddy of mine's FB today. Pretty interesting that, according to this......the IRS has been involved in these activities for a while. Even during the Bush years towards liberal groups.

    If this article has merit, this is a larger issue than what we see now. Does not excuse what the IRS is doing now, only buries them deeper.
     
  4. bobmarley

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    At least a news article adds to the discussion. If anyone wants to question what I post I try my best to respond unless the trolls come out from under their bridge.
     
  5. bobmarley

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    OUTGOING CHIEF ADMITS IRS TARGETING 'PARTISAN'

    by JOHN NOLTE 21 May 2013

    In Tuesday's testimony before the Senate, outgoing IRS chief Steven Miller apparently reversed course under some tough questioning by Republican Senator Richard Burr of North Carolina. During his testimony last week, Miller not only insisted that the singling out of conservative Tea Party groups for paralyzing harassment was not political but that it wasn't even targeting.
    During his testimony today, Miller not only stopped objecting to the use of the word "targeting," but seemed to agree with Burr that the targeting was in fact partisan.

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    Miller: The second listing … in the Treasury Inspector General’s report is still problematic because it talks about policy positions, but it actually is not particularly partisan in how it talks about policy positions.
    Sen. Richard Burr: So it was partisan before, though.
    Miller: Yes, it absolutely was.

    Transcript via Twitchy.

    Follow John Nolte on Twitter @NolteNC
     
  6. Dubious

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    You know there is nothing really meaningful about any of these discussions right?

    Your bloviations are just self-confirming strokes to your own ego.

    53% of the other posters think you just another ignorant tea-tard living in a circular thinking world of propaganda and confirmation bias.
     
  7. magnetik

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    then why the **** are you even responding if it doesn't matter? :confused::confused::confused: You added about the same amount to this discussion as the poster he was responding to.. which is nothing.
     
  8. tallanvor

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    live house hearings

    Watch Lois Lerner embarrass herself and plead the fifth over and over again.
     
  9. giddyup

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    ... and 99% of "the other posters" are vested members of The Back-slapping Cadre of Liberals. Distorted stat.
     
  10. trueroxfan

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    Once again, I don't get it. If she didn't break any laws, and did nothing wrong...why is she pleading the 5th and refusing to shed light on who DID break the law? Either she is protecting herself, or she is protecting someone else. Someone...please explain.
     
  11. Dubious

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    I post when it entertains me or when I am compelled out of empathy. I would point it out if a poster's hair was on fire, but on this board, I wouldn't expect him to put it out. He would be too happy that everyone was looking at him.
     
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  14. bobmarley

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    IRS tea-party bloodbath continues in Congress, as evidence emerges that IRS's own internal probe ended in May 2012, six months before election, but was hidden from legislators
    By DAVID MARTOSKO IN WASHINGTON


    Tempers flared in a House Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing Wednesday, with members on both sides of the aisle castigating the Internal Revenue Service for targeting conservative groups with special scrutiny, and then hiding the practice from Congress.

    Rep. Darrel Issa, the committee's chairman, said that the committee learned just yesterday that the IRS completed its own investigation a year before a Treasury Department Inspector General report was completed.

    But despite the IRS recognizing in May 2012 that its employees were treating right-wing groups differently from other organizations, Issa said, IRS personnel withheld those conclusions from legislators.

    'Just yesterday the committee interviewed Holly Paz, the director of exempt organizations, rulings and agreements, division of the IRS,' Issa said. 'While a tremendous amount of attention is centered about the Inspector General's report, or investigation, the committee has learned from Ms. Paz that she in fact participated in an IRS internal investigation that concluded in May of 2012 - May 3 of 2012 - and found essentially the same thing that Mr. George found more than a year later.'

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    U.S. Treasury Inspector-General for Tax Administration J. Russell George, former IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman, Director of Exempt Organizations for the Internal Revenue Service Lois Lerner and U.S. Deputy Treasury Secretary Neal Wolin (left to right) appeared before the House Oversight Committee, but Lerner refused to answer questions

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    House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa tried to get answers out of Lois Lerner, but she pleaded the Fifth Amendment and refused to answer questions. Issa slammed the IRS for targeting conservatives, and said his committee would continue to investigate 'until we know that the IRS is fixed'

    'American people were misled' Rep Issa slams IRS

    'Think about it,' he continued: 'For more than a year, the IRS knew that it had inappropriately targeted groups of Americans based on their political beliefs, and without mentioning it, and in fact without honestly answering questions that were the result of this internal investigation.'

    Deputy Treasury Secretary Neal Wolin testified that he was unaware of that IRS investigation until he read other officials prepared testimony just a few days ago.

    Lois Lerner, the Director of Exempt Organizations at the IRS, made a brief opening statement recounting the recent history of the agency's scandal. Her attorney told the committee on Tuesday in a letter that she would refuse to answer questions by invoking her protections under the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

    'I have not done anything wrong,' she said. 'I have not broken any laws. I have not violated any IRS rules or regulations and I have not provided false information to this or any other committee.'

    Issa dismissed Lerner from the hearing, over objections from South Carolina Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy, who insisted that she should be forced to answer questions since she had 'waived her right' to refuse 'by issuing an opening statement.'

    'She ought to stay and answer questions,' Gowdy said, to sudden applause from some in the audience gallery.

    Issa then kept Lerner in the hearing room, asking her if she would answer any questions at all.

    'I will not answer any questions or testify today,' she replied.

    Issa then asked if she would answer questions about her previous testimony before Congress.

    'i decline to answer that question, for reasons I have already given.'

    Lerner was dismissed a second time and left the hearing room with her lawyer, but not before Issa cautioned that she could be recalled and forced to testify in the future if committee attorneys determined that she had forfeited her Fifth Amendment rights by making an opening statement.

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    It's unclear if Lerner will be forced to testify at a later date. One Republican said she should be required to face cross-examination as though she were in federal court

    One top Democrat breathed fire, warning that prosecutions could result.
    Massachusetts Democratic Rep. Stephen Lynch said that if witnesses stonewalled the committee there would be legal consequences.

    'If you refuse to answer,' Lynch said, 'you will leave us no choice but to ask for a special counsel or the appointment of a special prosecutor to get to the bottom of this.'

    'I hope that’s not the approach of the IRS going forward,'he added. 'Because there will be hell to pay.'

    Lynch later castigated Douglas Shulman, the former IRS Commissioner who ran the agency while its abuses were going on, for failing to tell Congress the truth about what his agency had already concluded in the investigation that ended in May 2012.

    Shulman testified in March 2012, two months earlier that there was 'absolutely' no special targeting of conservative groups going on.

    'At no time, to the best of my memory, was I ever given the impression that these [IRS employees] were only [looking closely] at conservative groups' Shulman told Lynch on Wednesday.

    'You misled Congress. Make no question about it,” Lynch snapped back.

    'You did nothing. You abdicated your responsibility.'

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    One protester in Washington wore a 'FREE HEALTHCARE' t-shirt with plenty of sarcastic fine print on Tuesday. The IRS's involvement with implementing President Obama's Affordable Care Act has been a key rallying cry in tea party groups' criticism of the IRS Rep. Jim Jordan, an Ohio Republican, linked the tea party scandal with the implementation of President Obama's Affordable Care Act.

    'This administration, this agency, the very agency charged with enforcing Obamacare,' Jordan said in an opening statement, 'systematically targeted groups that came into existence because they opposed Obamacare - and they started the targeting the very month, March 2010, that Obamacare came into law - expects us to believe it is the work of ‘two rogue agents.'
    The Obama administration, Jordan reminded those in the hearing room, also 'told us and told the American people that the attack that killed four Americans in Benghazi was the work - was caused by a video.

    'The people don’t buy it,' he said. 'The American people get it. They just want this administration to give them the truth. And that’s why this hearing is so important.'

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    The great escape: Lerner leaves the Oversight Committee hearing room as members sparred over whether she could read an opening statement and then refuse to testify. The committee is investigating allegations that the IRS targeted conservative non-profit organizations for special scrutiny

    Wolin also disclosed that Treasury Secretary Jack Lew got a heads-up in March - a month before White House Counsel Kathy Ruemmler - that an Inspector General report would soon be issued. That notification, he said, came from the Inspector General himself.

    'On March 15, 2013, Mr. George had a short introductory meeting with Secretary Lew,' Wolin's prepared remarks read.

    'At that meeting, Mr. George informed Secretary Lew of a number of matters TIGTA [the Inspector General office] was reviewing. He also indicated that this audit report would be forthcoming. Mr. George did not describe any details of his audit findings. This was also in line with standard practice.'

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    Lerner told the committee she has 'done nothing wrong,' and then invoked her constitutional right to not answer lawmakers' questions

    Florida Republican Rep. John Mica explained in his remarks why the IRS scandal may have overtaken the other two public-perception challenges that the Obama administration faces, whose being the 2012 Benghazi terror attack and the Justice Department's spying on reporters.

    His tax-paying constituents, Mica said, find that it resonates especially well with them.

    'I don’t think I've ever seen any investigation or review by this committee or subject that has so riveted and shocked the American people,' Mica said.
    'I went home last weekend and almost to a person everyone asked me about this.'


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l-refuses-answer-questions.html#ixzz2U2g71mSE
     
  15. bobmarley

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    Reality Check Exclusive: Cincinnati agent giving orders in IRS scandal?

    By Ben Swann

    CINCINNATI, OH (FOX19) -
    The claim that the ongoing IRS scandal is limited to low level employees is falling apart.

    The six Cincinnati workers we have identified, who sent scrutinizing letters to conservative groups with words including "patriot, liberty, tea party or 9-12" in their names are Mitchel Steele, Carly Young, Joseph Herr, Stephen Seok, Liz Hofacre and a woman identified only as Ms. Richards.

    But was all of this done at the hands of a small group of Cincinnati employees working together? During Friday's congressional hearing, that appeared to be the theme. Now, that explanation just became less likely.

    Thanks to two FOX19 sources connected to the IRS, we now understand the chain of command for these workers.

    Mitchel Steele, Carly Young, Joseph Herr and Liz Hofacre are IRS agents. Stephen Seok is a supervisor IRS agent.

    But according to the IRS employee directory that FOX19 has obtained exclusively, each of these agents has a different manager and then above them a different territory manager.


    That is important because while it may sound reasonable to the average person that these workers began targeting groups on their own, the IRS structure is designed to prevent that.

    Here is how that works.

    When an application for tax exempt status comes into the IRS, agents have 270 days to work through that application. If the application is not processed within those 270 days it automatically triggers flags in the system. When that happens, individual agents are required to input a status update on that individual case once a month, every month until the case is resolved.

    Keep in mind, at least 300 groups were targeted out of Cincinnati alone. Those applications spent anywhere from 18 months to nearly 3 years in the system and some still don't have their non-profit status. 300 groups multiplied by at least 18 months for each group, means thousands of red flags would have been generated in the system.

    So who in the chain of command would have received all these flags? The answer, according to the IRS directory, one woman in Cincinnati, Cindy Thomas, the Program Manager of the Tax Exempt Division. Because all six of our IRS workers have different individual and territory managers, Cindy Thomas is one manager they all have common.

    It turns out Cindy Thomas' name is one we have heard before.

    The independent journalism group ProPublica says in November of 2012 they had requested information on conservatives groups that had received non-profit status. Along with that information, the IRS released private information on nine conservative groups that had not yet been approved and personal information had not been redacted. The person who signed off on that release, Cindy Thomas.

    What this means for you... consider this chain of command since the story broke.

    Former Acting IRS Commissioner Steven Miller… retires

    Joseph Grant, Commissioner of Tax Exempt and Government Entities... retires.

    Lois Lerner, Head of Exempt Organization…says she will invoke her 5th amendment right to not incriminate herself when called before Congress on Wednesday.

    Holly Paz, Director of Exempt Organizations, subpoenaed to Washington to be interviewed by members of Congress.

    All of this IRS leadership, in Washington D.C.

    Then one level down is Cindy Thomas, the highest ranking employee in Cincinnati in this Tax Exempt and Government Entities Department that no one in Congress is talking to... yet.

    And that is Reality Check.

    Sources:

    - http://www.propublica.org/documents/item/537045-crossroads-gps-application-to-irs.

    - http://www.propublica.org/article/c...-among-five-that-told-irs-they-would-stay-out.

    - http://www.propublica.org/article/i...ed-tea-party-also-disclosed-confidential-docs

    - http://www.propublica.org/podcast/item/propublica-and-the-irs-scandal/ .
     
  16. bobmarley

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    IRS Misses Filing Deadline: Fails to Comply With Congressional Demand for All Communications With WH About Targeting Conservatives
    May 22, 2013
    By Terence P. Jeffrey

    What did the White House know about the IRS targeting conservative groups and when did it know it?

    Crucial evidence needed to develop an accurate answer to that question would include the records of any communications that went back and forth between the IRS and the White House on the topic.

    In a May 14th letter signed by Chairman Dave Camp and Ranking Member Sander Levin, the House Ways and Means Committee demanded precisely those records from the IRS. In the same letter, the committee also demanded the records of any communications between IRS and the Treasury on the matter, plus other information and records that would help the committee understand the facts about IRS actions that subjected to heightened scrutiny conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status.

    Chairman Camp and Ranking Member Levin gave the IRS a deadline of Tuesday, May 21 to comply with their committee’s demand for the information and records.

    The IRS--which requires working Americans to file their tax returns by an April 15 deadline each year or else face penalties--did not comply with this deadline imposed by the congressional committee that has oversight over its activities.

    “The Committee has not received a response to the Camp-Levin letter,” House Ways and Means Spokeswoman Sarah Swinehart told CNSNews.com late Tuesday after the IRS had closed for business for the day.

    “Chairman Camp expects the IRS to comply and provide full and complete responses to the letter since many of these questions were asked, but went unanswered, in Friday’s hearing,” said Swinehart.

    The letter that Camp and Levin sent to the IRS a week ago Tuesday asked the agency to answer thirteen questions about its targeting of conservative groups and, where relevant, provide all internal agency documents and communications substantiating its answers.

    Two of the committee’s questions sought records of any communications between the IRS and the Treasury and the IRS and the White House about the targeting of conservatives groups.

    “As the Committee on Ways and Means continues its investigation into these IRS practices,” Camp and Levin wrote the IRS, “we request that the IRS provide the following information by May 21, 2013: …”

    “Did the IRS at any time notify the Treasury Department of the targeting of conservative or any other groups?” Camp and Levin asked. “Provide all documents and communications between the IRS and Treasury on this matter.”

    “Did the IRS at any time notify the White House of the targeting of conservative or any other groups?” asked Camp and Levin. “Provide all documents and communications between the IRS and the White House on this matter.”

    In their letter, Camp and Levin said the IRS had not been “completely truthful” with the committee in the past on this matter.

    “We are deeply troubled by the recent admission of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) that the agency has been singling out organizations for additional review based on their political beliefs,” Camp and Levin said in their letter to the agency. “Despite repeated calls for cooperation, the agency failed to be completely truthful in its responses to the committee during its nearly two-year long investigation of this matter, and in testimony before the committee.”

    On Monday through Tuesday morning, CNSNews.com made multiple phone and email inquiries to the IRS press office asking if the agency intended to comply with this request for information and records from the House Ways and Means Committee. The IRS did not respond.
     
  17. tallanvor

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    Not surprising since the IRS is being so dishonest and tight lipped, but it looks like a special prosecutor is inevitable

     
  18. bobmarley

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    DEMOCRATS TURN ON IRS; COMPARE IRS SCANDAL TO TOTALITARIAN REGIMES


    by JOEL B. POLLAK

    As the House Oversight Committee commenced its hearing on the IRS Scandal Wednesday, it was clear that Democrats, visibly angered by the decision of IRS Exempt Organizations director Lois Lerner to answer questions, turned on the agency. Lerner invoked her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.

    In a fiery statement, Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-MA), cited the State Department's annual human rights report, and the practice of tyrannical regimes that enact human rights on paper but fail to honor them in practice. He compared the conduct of the IRS in singling out Tea Party and conservative groups to those regimes.

    The witnesses were then sworn in. Lerner read an opening statement in which she denied providing false information to the committee or any other body: "I have not done anything wrong," she said defiantly.

    Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC) demanded that Lerner be made to testify, arguing that she had waived her Fifth Amendment rights by telling her side of the story. In a courtroom, he said, she would have been regarded as having waived her rights--and, he pointed out, Ranking Member Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) had said he wished to conduct the hearings like court proceedings. The hearing room broke out in applause.
     
  19. tallanvor

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    LErner to be forced to answer questions.

    Love that this scumbag inadvertently waived her 5th amendment rights, but kind of frown upon the notion of someone accidentally giving up their rights. That being said, she violated the rights of all her victims.
     
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    Nothing wrong with targeting a specific group of people known to transgress more than others. Better pulling the muslim man aside at the airport than being sorry after a catastrophe. Teapartiers just latching on to their only attempt to appear a victim.
     

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