No they weren't in on it, which is why the joke was stupid... But it was a joke, and it really doesn't matter whether you think it was or not. I've actually listened to his show enough to know the difference between when he's serious and when he's not. You, as you have said, have not... I'll trust my judgment over yours on this. When he does sports breaks, it's generally always shtick... But yes, I think everyone knows it wasn't a "good thing." Thanks for making that clear.
Ho is a derivative of w****. And I don't think it's fair people defend a guy who uses the word "ho" and then complain when it's pointed out that it means "w****."
I suspect you, txppratt, and dntrwl, are just frustrated because none of the nappy-headed hos would look at you twice.
If his comment was against black people, why did he focus only on Rutgers? What about these women from the same game:
riiiight. if that makes you feel better. And no, they wouldnt look twice at me b/c after the first look i would run off.
Did you actually listen to the conversation? Anyways, all of the guys involved should be catching some hell, not just Imus. Here are parts of a write up from Mediamatters with the transcript and references and if you look down, you'll see what he said about the girls on the Vols team in comparison to Rutgers. Again, I just don't see why people don't get that it was a direct insult at these girls. What did they do? Why should they be called nappy headed hoes? They're just students playing basketball, they didn't deserve that and they have every right to be mad: http://mediamatters.org/items/200704040011
No, it makes it a bad joke. That's why he apologized... It was stupid, but it was a joke. If it's not then every time Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert uses stock footage of some gay pride parade, or David Letterman shows footage of some random fat guy at an event, then does that quiz thing, they are not making jokes either. Since when does everyone have to be in on a joke for it to be a joke? His intent wasn't malice, but that was the result. He was wrong for doing it because of that. But don't tell me he meant to hurt someone on a personal level. That's stupid.... If he did, he wouldn't ask to personally apologize to the team and their families, he would have just said "**** off" and either retired (he doesn't need the money) or gone to satellite radio like Howard Stern. But your substitute of the word w**** for ho is important. Yes, both words are stupid to use, but whether right or wrong (and it is wrong), ho is more accepted. I don't know how many times I've heard ho in a sitcom or movie. The movie Sleepless in Seattle is an example, when the kid says his dad is dating a ho to the woman on the radio. It was meant to be funny... Whether it should be accepted or not is another argument, but you can't switch the words now and act like they mean the same thing to everyone.
So if dark skinned african americans are near you, you run away? Maybe this is another example of you being totally misunderstood.
Yes he shouldn't of said that. But ESPN and National TV is making such a big deal out of this. People argue that he is a racist, yet i hear people and my friends make remarks like this all of the time. How many segments are there on TV about the racist remarks of black people against whites? The Rutgers coach was acting like Imus went on a rant with the N word. Its Imus, hes trying to be funny. Nappy headed ho's... African Americans take racial remarks way too seriously these days. My question is why is it such a big deal now? The media was way too slow to find this. IMO people are overreacting. It was a racist remark and he apologized. People are boycotting in NYC, and ESPN looks like CNN. I can't imagine the outrage if Michael Richards was a former player in the NBA/NFL/MLB.
some of the posters on this board are very good at putting words in other peoples mouths. man your comment is just uncalled for. you're trying to pick a fight. grow up. just cause some of us think this whole deal is blown out of porportion doesn't make us racist.
It was you who brought up the example of him calling his wife a "green Ho" and then her coming on and partaking in the "joke." In that context, you'd have to be in on it for it to be a joke. The Rutgers gals weren't. RE: Letterman, etc., you never hear them say "What a flaming --ck--cker that *** is." There's humor in people's appearance... we're an inherently funny looking species. I get those jokes, even the mean-spirited ones. This was not mean-spirited, it was just plain mean. I didn't tell you he meant to hurt someone on a personal level, but as you point out and as is obvious from the reaction of the Rutgers team, he did. I think we're a little closer in our take on this now. Of course they don't mean the same thing to everybody and I didn't act like they did. That's the whole point of using both words. And again, if I were a black woman, I suspect I'd be more offended at being called a ho than a w**** anyway.
I'm not picking a fight, but people have double standards and say stupid things, I'm gonna point it out. I said I might be misunderstanding him and he can clarify his previous statement. D&D stands for Debate and Discussion. BTW, you just made a comment about the girls not being able to handle sh*t talk on the court because they are upset by this, yet you are now "whining" and blowing my post out of proportion, one that isn't even aimed at you.
He said the lady Vols were cute. Did he stop being a racist halfway through his paragraph? I didn't watch the game, so I don't know what was different in their appearance for him to make a distinction. He mentioned tattoos, then was cut off by the other person. If his comment was based on them having tattoos, it was not about race but more about the culture. Like when people talked about AI and his tattoos but don't say the same things about Timmy D. Does that alter the perception about what he said any?
I mentioned that to show how he uses the word "ho." Then what are you trying to say? I've been saying that all along. Which is why I said the joke was stupid and offensive. If it wasn't a bad joke, but he didn't mean to hurt someone personally, then what was it to you? Insults are meant to hurt people. By putting w**** in quotation marks you are making it seem like that is what he meant to say, with that meaning (which is why I gave the example of the other thing). I guess you are trying to say that is what it felt like to some people, and I think everyone understands that, which is why he apologized, but that was not the intent. When you switch the words you are making it seem like it was his intent. This was a failed attempt at humor. It resulted in people being offended. Everyone recognizes that. He has apologized, and will apologize personally because of the result of that joke. But it was nothing more than that, and it certainly didn't reveal his "true thoughts."
oh my god imus has jungle fever. anyhow...why are you people concentrating on the racism thing first? why not look at the a-hole factor first? he is ripping the appearance of non-professional college girls. that is what is crappy of him. he complimented a predominantly black tennensse team by saying they looked cute...was that racist? he tried to be cute and over the top and hung himself. that's what happens when you are a "shock jock" kind of guy and put your radio persona ahead of what is decent. the thing that bothers white people (i will speak for us all ) is when the first card pulled is the racism card and a whole production has to be made out of one idiotic comment. sorry but this goes under the file of idiot/a-hole...not racist. if you think he is racist then you need to re-examine things and maybe look a life with shades of grey and not just in black and white (no pun intended).
yeah, but his ratings are hi, and he makes money. They only way the would get rid of him is if the feel his presence will have a larger negative impact on NBC. The man said he was sorry - too much in my eyes. Now they have to "punish" him to satisfy the wolves.
what's ironic is that "ho" is ghetto talk and it comes from african americans - a reflection of the way they view woman - and now it's part of the vernacular and refers to any woman. You can't translate things without context ya know - but in this case, you're actually showing that it's not racist.
