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The Ideal Powerforward Who Was Born For Yao's Success

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by qiu777, Dec 16, 2004.

  1. shawn786

    shawn786 Member

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    Was BORN for Yao's Success... Thoughs are some strong words, but he seems to be like another Cato. Id give it a try
     
  2. Rockets34Legend

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    Well, according to codell, qiu777 - Your dreams are shattered. Thanks for playing!
     
  3. snowmt01

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    That likes a spin to me ;)

    You can say that to any elite player like Shaq, TD, etc.

    Yao can punish oppenent by dropping 30 pts under single-coverage. He
    only gets 18 pts when double-teamed.

    In fact, double-teaming Yao is more effective because players like Shaq
    and TD always get their numbers. Pistons chose to single-team Shaq but
    contain Kobe because Kobe's effectiveness significantly dropped under
    double-team.

    Inside-out needs both inside presence and shooters to be effective.
    If our perimeter players (include Tmac) make 50% wide open shots,
    then no team would afford to double-team Yao constantly. Remember
    O'Brian's Celtics often double-teamed Yao, and both Steve and
    Cat dropped 30+ pts to punish them.
     
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    With a good passing attack (good outside shooters), defenses can load up on the line to stop the run (paint offense).
     
  5. New Jack

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    The difference is when teams double Shaq and Duncan, they do so because they know those two would annihilate them otherwise. When they double Yao it’s more of a “let’s invite the Rockets shooters to keep taking outside shots by crowding the middle”. You see the difference. The former is a sign of respect the player they’re double teaming. The latter is just a lack of respect to the supporting cast.

    Sure the Rockets would be much better if their role players could hit open shots, but the same could be said about every single team in the league.
     
  6. adai

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    How about Eddie Griffin, He can rebound, block and shoot 3
     
  7. Summer Song Giver

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    Teams double Yao because it works, he either turns the ball over, gets a foul or his teammates miss the shot.
     
  8. Rockets34Legend

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    Or he's a weak, 7'6 SF instead of an aggressive 7'6 Shaq-like center.
     
  9. hotballa

    hotballa Contributing Member

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    How about a post from you not related to Yao? you're just as bad as those YOFs that killed the sites bandwidth a few years ago.
     
  10. snowmt01

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    So why respect guys who will always get their pts? I think coaches would put
    points above respect for opponent stars. Teams double-team Shaq, Duncan
    or Yao because their supporting cast is vastly inferior to them.
    Put Yao in Suns then nobody would dare to double him because the
    "supporting cast" is about the same level as the star, and Yao can easily
    drop 20 pts a game.

    Double-team is a desperate way to let other players beat you. That shows
    the quality of oppenent role players. They are, well, role players.
     
  11. snowmt01

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    Shaq averages more TOs and fouls than Yao. So....
     
  12. hotballa

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    Put Yao in Suns, and he would play 25 minutes a night from exhaustion.

    I think you mean put him on a squad with people who are as gifted as the Suns lineup.
     
  13. clove

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    Yao has been scoring 20 a game through double teams when not in foul trouble. You are saying he wouldn't do any better on single coverage?


    I can't argue this as there are no previous examples. I can claim Duncan will be held to 6 pts a game if you don't cover him at all. You can't prove me wrong, but you might think I'm an idiot. Same applies to your theory.
     
  14. Summer Song Giver

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    more pts and rebounds too. so..... and wins too. so..... and rings too. so.....
     
  15. snowmt01

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    Shaq is better than Yao, by far. I should won the Capt. Obvious award.

    But... this shows your theory of double-teaming may need adjustment.
     
  16. New Jack

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    That's the difference between a good player and a great player. Yao needs his teammates to make him better. While Duncan and Shaq make their teammates better.
     
  17. Summer Song Giver

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    not really, I saw teams pay for doubling Dream for many years, it was pick your poison. You can make teams pay for employing this strategy but you have to find the open man and he has to hit the shot. However you also have to be quick to make your move if the double is slow coming, is this something we ever think Yao can do, be quick?
     
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    Yao is not a great player yet. Is that what you want to say?

    If Yao is at the same level of Duncan and Shaq, we should cruise to the finals.

    On the other hand, put Shaq with a bunch of shooters who can't hit open shots.
    How can he make them better? Our role players have a bunch of open shots
    created by Tmac and Yao, but they can't hit it. Is it the problem of the role
    players, or the stars? What Tmac and Yao do is the same as Shaq, creating
    open shots. Don't tell me Shaq does some other magic to make teammates
    better. He doens't even bother guarding pick-and-rolls.

    In summary, your conclusion may be right, but your logic is flawed.
     
  19. snowmt01

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    Is Yao practicing some non-dribbling attacking skills? Hope it could work out.
    Then we should shart to kick ass.
     
  20. Summer Song Giver

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    just for kicks, next game I am going to count the number of open jumpers resulting directly from a Yao double team, I'll even include the "extra pass". It can't be more than five a game,
     

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