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[The Hill] Wasserman Schultz says Gabbard ‘likely a Russian asset’

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Nov 15, 2024.

  1. fchowd0311

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    Cool cool.

    When will black people get their low skilled labor intensive "black jobs" back from the illegals being yeeted?
     
  2. Os Trigonum

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    gotta think this is some kind of thinly-veiled pro-Putin anti-American pro-Russian propaganda anthem sung by a pair of likely Russian assets

     
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    Reddit kills brain cells. You couldn't find a bigger collection of idiots
     
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    Of course you do. You can't think for yourself just like the clown who liked your post
     
  5. Salvy

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    Number one trending song in Russia, via spotify....
     
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    I grew up in an era where "blue collar America (of all races)" did most of those jobs that are now employing a high percentage of illegal labor - mostly in the construction industries.
    Those were good paying jobs for people who didn't want to or simply couldn't go the college route. Plumbers, electricians, HVAC, mechanics, welders, framers & carpenters .... all were respectable trades at one time.

    I've recently heard many on both sides of the political spectrum make statements about trade schools for those who can't / don't want to go to college. But trade schools aren't cheap either - they can cost many thousands of dollars.

    What jobs do you expect them to get once they complete these trade schools when the pay scale is bottomed out due to illegal labor. They can't compete with illegal labor and it's not just the difference in pay that the employer assumes, there's a whole list of added costs for a legal employee Vs the alternative:

    Employer contributions to health insurance, retirement plans, and other benefits.

    Employer paid taxes like Social Security, Medicare.

    Federal Unemployment Tax and State Unemployment Tax.

    Employer premiums for workers' compensation insurance.

    Paid vacation / sick leave.

    After you add all that up, it costs the employer somewhere between 1.25x -1.6x an employee's yearly salary.
    You have none of these costs with the illegal labor.


    So, tell me, how does one take the trade school route, leave thousands of dollars in debt only to compete with someone willing to work for 60% of your take home pay - not to mention the other added costs?

    The lucky one's get union jobs and union training - that's the last bastion of construction that hasn't been overrun by illegal labor mainly because it's highly regulated and you get the benefit of a union education provided for free while you work as an apprentice - making more hourly than the illegal with years of experience. These jobs are fairly limited in number.
     
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    Basic construction labor isn't a trade skill.

    Illegal immigrants are not taking trade skill jobs. They aren't stealing jobs that require trade schools. They are taking low barrier to entry strenuous labor jobs... You know "black jobs" as Trump says.

    Construction has carpentry, plumbing, electrical work that requires skilled trade workers. Those jobs aren't being taken by illegal immigrants.
     
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    When you believe foreign propaganda over your own intelligence agencies...and those propaganda amplify your voice at every turn...yeah, you are more than an unwitting asset.

    I mean, maybe she is that incredibly stupid. Somehow, I doubt that.
     
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    Laborer used to be able to buy a house. Working at a store as a cashier could help pay a lot of bills. What's different today? That the wealth didn't trickle down. It trickled up. The rich could make more money paying people less and less. They made more money - look at the stock market from 1980 to today and there's your answer.
     
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    Russians don't surf
     
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    Of those jobs, only framing is a common job for an illegal immigrant.

    A lot of those costs exist with illegal immigrants too, unless the employer is doing illegal things, which I'm sure they are. But I'll let you in on a secret...

    They are doing illegal things with legal labor to avoid those costs.
     
  14. Corrosion

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    Define trade skill.


    What's the difference between what you call basic construction labor and a trade skill?

    That's something you really have no clue about, you read it on the internet or heard some biased bullshiit on TV or just made some shiit up.

    I lived the nightmare running a multi-million dollar construction company with about 100-120 employee's that specialized in franchise restaurants, strip centers & custom residential construction.
    The costs between legal and illegal labor literally made me change my business model from actual construction to only doing service. I could not compete with the difference in labor costs.

    Adapt or close up shop, but it was literally like starting over from scratch .... I had to let a lot of people go and retool the entire company at great cost while building a new customer base.

    My suggestion to you is to go to any residential or small commercial construction site and take a look around. I think you'd be shocked to say the least.

    A huge part of the problem on this topic, at least in Texas is that unscrupulous licensed tradesmen will pull the building permits for the illegal for a couple hundred dollars .... essentially money for nothing, he was going to the permit office anyway ....

    Where the hell did Trump ever say something like this .... and make sure its in proper context.


    This isn't 1970 America. Let that hate go man. A rising tide lifts all ships.
     
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    well this should be interesting :D

    popcorn_gus.gif
     
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    Just because the people doing the work on a site are white doesn't mean they are illegals. This is a fundamental problem with people like yourself. You can't grasp or accept the fact that white people are legally being replaced by brown people for skilled jobs.
     
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    I'm a CPA with a large number of construction clients. I'm extremely familiar with what happens. Simply looking around doesn't help me. I can't see the legal status of a person. I could make racist assumptions that way.
     
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    It sounds like you believe employers should be substantially fined and possibly be put out of business if they continue hiring illegals. Attack the root causes, right? If no one would hire them they would no longer have a financial reason to come. Why doesn't the GOP vote for that?
     
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    Fair enough.

    But as a CPA, you understand the numbers and when someone is coming in with a bid that has 60% lower labor costs, you know damn well something's fishy.
     
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    I could get behind that idea, but I do believe enforcement is difficult, particularly in "transient" industries where job locations change rapidly.


    As I've said many times, neither side really wants to solve the issue.

    The GOP just makes noise during election time and then does nothing about it.

    Both sides want these people here because they expand the economy and revenue for the government as a result. It's not like these people exist on an island economically - they are consumers just like citizens.

    If you kick out 10-30m illegals and the economy shrinks 10% or more ..... how does the government support that $36trillion elephant in the room? They damn sure have to cut spending in that scenario and none of them want to do that.
     
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