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[The Hill] Spotify sides with Joe Rogan after Neil Young ultimatum

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Jan 26, 2022.

  1. Os Trigonum

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    sure he did. I blame Rogan, you should too.
     
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  3. Gioan Baotixita

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    Yeah sure, you’re the only one who listens to Neil Young, owns his records and saw him live. Lol
    If you’re not far left, then why do you have to care if others called you so? Unless your posts speak otherwise?
    People in here labeling me a Trumper all the time, and do I care?
    Karate class..bwahahaha. Boxing my man, I have had 15 sanctioned amateur bouts, the Cobra Kai dojo works for Danielsan and in movies only. Lol
     
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    I find it funny how many Trump supporters and etc.. are going on about how unknown Neil Young is. Neil Young was so unknown that Trump insisted on playing his music at rallies even though Neil Young told him not to.
    https://variety.com/2020/music/news...-campaign-files-rockin-free-world-1234725236/
    Neil Young Sues Donald Trump Campaign Over Use of ‘Rockin’ in the Free World’

    Neil Young has made good on his threat to file a lawsuit against the Donald Trump campaign over its continued — and he contends legally unauthorized — use of his music for political purposes. Among the songs at issue in the suit is “Rockin’ in the Free World,” a long-contentious staple of the president’s campaign rallies going back five years.

    The suit for copyright infringement was filed with the United States District Court in the southern district of New York state by Young and two attorneys, Ivan Saperstein in New York and Robert S. Besser in California. A copy of the filing was posted on Young’s website, Neil Young Archives, Tuesday morning.

    “This complaint is not intended to disrespect the rights of opinions of American citizens, who are free to support the candidate of their choosing,” the lawsuit begins. However, it continues, Young “in good conscience cannot allow his music to be used as a ‘theme song’ for a divisive, un-American campaign of ignorance and hate.”




     
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    I'm sure Fox News people know who Neil Young is,

    the Joe Rogan podcast audience prefers Neil Diamond

    Sweet Caroline > Rockin in the Free world
     
  6. rocketsjudoka

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    So good So good...
     
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    your reading comprehension is very poor. i never claimed i was the only one who listened to neil young. i was responding to your inaccurate statement that i dont know s*** about neil young.

    i dont care, but i think its funny that you called me far left and have so far provided zero explanation for what makes me far left. you said you would once you got back from karate school, but that was like a month ago.

    you are a trumper and your posts back that up. all im asking is for you to explain what exactly makes me far left.

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  8. Os Trigonum

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    kind of shocking that no one has yet brought up the fact that Neil Young saved Lionel trains

    in this clip he's a bit too humble about that, but note what he says at 2:00 about being a rich hippie like @Deckard :cool:

     
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    You’re the one that’s assuming I don’t know shiet about Neil Young, and that’s why I threw it back in your face.
    Care to prove that I am a Trumper? And what the hell is being a Trumper?
     
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    I saw Klitschko v Joshua on April 29th 2017 at Wembley Stadium. Imagine hearing the crowd of over 90000 fans singing Sweet Caroline in perfect unison. What a memorable night.
     
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    @Deckard story. One of the best concerts I went to was Neil Young's Weld tour at the Cow Palace in the Bay Area. The opening acts were the Bodeans and Sonic Youth who had just released Goo. Just an awesome amount of feedback.

    I caught both Neil Young and Sonic Youth at the Bridge School Benefit. The show was supposed to be acoustic and Sonic Youth really struggled with playing acoustic. They couldn't get their sound right and lead singer Kim Gordan stopped the show mid set and yelled "F^(K!". The crowd, especially all of the old Bay Area Hippies started booing. Sonic Youth finished their set with an off tune version of the New York Dolls "Personality Crisis" as an FU to the crowd. It was turning into a Boomer v Gen X.

    The next act up was Willie Nelson and being Willie he calmed everything down.
     
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    Neil Young himself has a song that's a @Deckard story

     
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    Wow cool man
     
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    the other thing I haven't seen people speculate about . . . this is probably a not-so-cynical ploy on the part of Neil Young to sell more of his latest album Barn, which was released in December. If people are streaming it on Spotify rather than buying the album, well, the economics just aren't there.

    the album:



    the economics of it all (can't vouch for this source but I will trust this guy as roughly correct):

    Do artists get paid a lot on Spotify compared to selling albums?

    That’s an interesting question. Someone buys one of my albums on iTunes or CDBaby or Amazon, I net, after pressing the CD and shipping it to distributors, and paying royalties to the composers, about $4. If they download that album, I net maybe $7. But if someone STREAMS all 12 of those songs on Spotify, I net about 1 penny. That’s right, ONE CENT for a whole streamed album, or about 1/10th penny per stream. Sounds terrible, right?

    The bigger picture? I sell about five albums a MONTH (CDs and downloads are pretty dead, unless you’re Beyoncé or Taylor Swift). Net = $20. Now for streaming: My songs are streamed on Spotify and the other streaming sites about a million times a month. At that measly 1/10th Penney, the net = $1,000. No comparison for me.

    Streaming makes it possible for non-big label musicians to reach over a billion listeners. No other way to do that.

    I bet we see Neil Young return to Spotify eventually when the prairie wind dies down and the dust settles.

     
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    That is correct. Streaming is the way to go at the moment for musicians until another breakthrough happens. He’ll be crawling back to Spotify sooner than later. It’s all noise any way.
     
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    i know you dont know s*** about neil young b/c you made this comment...

    anybody who knows anything about neil young knows that this move with spotify is right in line with how he has conducted himself for over 50 years.

    well thats pretty childish...and trumpian.

    i would be happy to do that after you explain to me how im "far left", which you said you would do after you got back from karate class....but that was like a month ago.
     
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    Heart of Scold
    Neil Young’s censorious crusade against Joe Rogan exemplifies the Left’s increasing hostility to free speech.

    https://www.city-journal.org/neil-young-v-joe-rogan-and-free-speech

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    This brings us to perhaps the most surprising detail about this episode: since when did Young become the sort of person to advocate for shutting up his ideological opponents? The rock and folk artist made his name as a countercultural figure in the 1960s, raging against the cultural and political establishment, working with Crosby, Stills, & Nash to release “Ohio,” a powerful protest song released after the killing of student protesters at Kent State University in 1970. The song became an anthem for the anti-Vietnam War movement. Some mainstream AM radio stations, sensitive to lyrics referring to “soldiers gunning us down,” banned it, but underground radio helped make it a hit anyway. Young continued to be a mainstay of the counterculture in the decades to come. In 2006, he reunited with Crosby, Stills, & Nash to barnstorm the country singing anti-Iraq War and anti-George W. Bush songs. They called it the “Freedom of Speech Tour” and kicked it off in Philadelphia, birthplace of the Constitution.

    Young’s transformation from countercultural champion of freedom of speech to corporate censorship advocate and defender of the public-health bureaucracy didn’t occur in a vacuum. Progressives have become increasingly censorious over the past few years. A majority of Democrats now believe that both private tech companies and the U.S. government should “take steps to restrict false info online.”

    Many on the left were once militant in their support for free expression, believing that misinformed, even offensive, viewpoints were as worthy of airing as any other speech. When the Yale Political Union invited segregationist politician George Wallace to speak at the university, famed civil rights activist Pauli Murray (who was attending law school there) rose to defend freedom of speech.

    “This controversy affects me in a dual sense, for I am both a lawyer committed to civil rights including civil liberties and a Negro who has suffered from the evils of racial segregation,” she wrote. But she could see no justification to deny Wallace the same freedoms she wanted for all people.

    “The possibility of violence is not sufficient reason in law to prevent an individual from exercising his constitutional right,” she noted. “This has been the principle behind the enforcement of the rights of the Little Rock Nine, James Meredith and others to attend desegregated schools in the face of a hostile community and threats of violence. It must operate equally in the case of Governor Wallace.”

    This viewpoint bears little resemblance to that of the activists of the modern Left, who are now quick to label expressions they disapprove of as “misinformation” or “hate speech” to justify censoring it.

    Young’s crusade against scientific misinformation is also ironic because he has spread it himself. The musician has long been an opponent of the use of genetically modified organisms (GMOs) in food. His 2015 song “A Rock Star Bucks a Coffee Shop” tells us that “Yeah I want a cup of coffee but I don’t want a GMO / I like to start my day off without helping Monsanto.” When CBS host Stephen Colbert confronted Young with research showing that GMOs are fine for human consumption, the singer was dismissive. “That must be a Monsanto study!” Young told Colbert. “It didn’t notice the terrible diseases and all the things that are happening.” If simply being wrong about a scientific technology that is saving lives is justification enough for censoring someone, then shouldn’t Young himself be censored?
    more at the link
     
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    Since you’re the self proclaimed expert on all things Neil Young, care to share how he’s like that for 50 years or you just pulled that out of your backsides?

    I’ll just call you far left if you keep calling me Trumpian then.
     
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    Youtube music for the win

    No one can beat them for all the unofficial releases, user uploaded remixes and mashups. The library is huge!

    I've used spotify, rhapsody/napster, amazon and the UI differences are negligible imo. Plus you can get ad free youtube. Its a win win.
     

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