[The Hill] Spotify sides with Joe Rogan after Neil Young ultimatum

This is such a stupid faux debate topic.

Conservatives would be saying "we need to censor" if Pornhub had a basic cable channel.
Liberals say "we need to censor" things like racist stereotypes in Disney movies.
Scientists say "we need to censor" Fear Factor hosts who spread misinformation about a deadly virus that is making people get sick and die.

When people see something dangerous and important to them.... SHOCKINGLY.... we want that dangerous content taken away from the eyes and ears of people we care about.

I happen to care very very much for many right wing Trumpers in my family that I do not want to hear misinformation that could land them in the hospital just as a Conservative mom doesn't want their 5 year old boy to be looking for Mickey Mouse Clubhouse on TV and instead end up watching a g*ngbang.

This censorship conversation is utterly dumb. Censorship is necessary at times. If fake MMA fighter and unfunny stand up comedian Joe Rogan is getting people killed.... F&ck yes his a$$ should be censored.

 

You are right, it was Rogan. Downgrade to misinformation as Rogan isn't an expert and was likely just misinformed himself.

RNA and DNA are both genetic material. Gene (DNA) therapy alter DNA. mRNA vaccine doesn't. It's clearcut.

EDIT: This analogy is probably poor.. but... Think of DNA as code and mRNA as input to the code. Gene therapy would be analogous to changing the code. mRNA would be different parameters input into the code. Saying mRNA is gene therapy isn't only incorrect, it causes fear. Who the hell want to a vaccine that messes with their gene?

 

Neil Young could give 2 ***** about PR.

He said what he wanted and acted on it, more power to him.

 

I don't do amazon prime music but I will check them out, I only do Spotify for the podcast and that's daily with multiple podcasts.

They were the 1st to really focus on monetizing podcast and bought up a lot of them.

 

Wait... are you saying you've never checked out Radiohead????

 

No, how did you get that from what I said?

I don't listen to much music when I go to places like Spotify and I have never used Amazon Music, but the next time I want to listen some music I will try Amazon.

 

The distinction you're drawing is important, but again this seems like a classification issue. They also share similarities that mRNA vaccines don't share with typical vaccines, don't they? Rogan could clarify that he didn't mean to imply that mRNA vaccines are altering people's DNA. Maybe he did, and we just haven't heard it -- I don't know.

This paper (to be honest, I only read the abstract) talks about "gene-based therapy" and includes mRNA-based therapeutics, which it distinguishes from "DNA-based gene therapy".

Non-viral vectors for gene-based therapy | Nature Reviews Genetics

 

Okay you said Them and assumed that meant Radiohead. Like woah we need to talk son moment there.

Amazon music is good if you are Prime member. Otherwise it might not be worth the cost for that alone, but if you use Amazon music there really isn't the need to really ever buy music anymore which is... kind of sad. I justify it by trying to get vinyl for the albums I really like. I assume though since you don't hear artists complaining nearly as much about Amazon or Apple streaming services they probably pay per stream pretty well. I think that's why Amazon music's playlists that they create for you based on a band you like is pretty limited. I assume that indie bands probably fight pretty hard to get on the "If you like Radiohead..." playlist.

Anyways... yeah it's okay, but we have Prime so it's already included otherwise not sure it's worth it if you already have other methods for getting music.

 

Wait -- Amazon Music is included with Prime? Have I been paying extra for Amazon Music all this time?

 

I don’t think so. Maybe a free trial.
You do get access to high res audio with Amazon music

 

It's already very confusing, so I think the distinction is very important to not cause fear. Rogan might not mean altering DNA, but using that term communicates that it could alter DNA. Just stay away from the term when it comes to vaccines.

Right, mRNA vaccine is new (the technique isn't - it's been tested for many years). Traditional vaccines carry the spike protein itself. mRNA doesn't, instead, it contains instructions about how to make the protein. It's delivered to your cell and once there, the cell does its normal function - uses the mRNAs to make protein, and in this case, spike proteins. Cell break down mRNAs once they have been used. It is short-lived and never reaches the cell's nucleus where the DNA is housed and protected.

RNA can suppress or express gene without touching DNA, but that's not what these mRNA vaccines are doing.

 

Have used all the music streaming platforms and Spotify blows them all away.

 

Are you an iPhone or Android user?

 

Honest question. Can you give us an historical example where government censorship has benefited the public? I'm struggling to come up with one.

 

Maybe I'm the idiot who just believed my wife when she asked me for Prime and said we "get" Amazon Music too.

 

I gave some examples in my post. The FCC is a censorship arm of the government. Do you think Christian Conservative Moms want the FCC to stop censoring cable TV that their kids watch?

Things are censored every day. It doesn't mean that the government has slipped into some dystopian dictatorship like they have in China. Here in the US we have laws. Laws are created by officials elected by the people. The government has the power to censor based on the laws.

This isn't that difficult of a topic it's made out to be just to get people to argue about wedge issues, and use "Cancel Culture" in order to get clicks or hits on your new HBO show.

We also have a government censorship system here where the government sets the laws that then creates a competitive capitalistic marketplace. Under that fair market, the free market then is able to censor based on what people want or disapprove of. Consumer demand drives censorship, and that consumer demand is only a privilege we have because we HOPEFULLY have a non-monopolistic free market. Regardless of FCC rules, if AT&T decided to put PornHub live on it's basic cable package, I could cancel my package, and instead use Spectrum.

Censorship... we do it every day and the government is ALWAYS either a direct or indirect factor in that experience.

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The question is Should Joe Rogan be censored for spreading Covid misinformation??... and my opinion is yes... I would support censoring or at least giving a warning before people can access Joe Rogan's disinformation. As I said, I have people I care about that I don't want to end up in the hospital because they believed his made up conspiracy theories, and pure misinformation.

But of course that's controversial to some because Joe Rogan is god to many many people i guess because he's relatable because he says bro alot or something. Despite my feelings about this one topic there are many many other examples of universally agreed upon government impacted censorships we deal with daily. It's not that big of a deal what we are talking about here, and people should be a bit more open minded about this topic as it relates to Covid since.... you know...nearly a million Americans have died. It's at least worth a discussion especially if we want to call ourselves a Democracy.

 

Oh, nevermind, apparently I have Amazon Music Unlimited which is extra.