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[The Hill] Spotify sides with Joe Rogan after Neil Young ultimatum

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  1. Commodore

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    opinion piece

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/spotif...mation-11643751741?mod=hp_opin_pos_4#cxrecs_s

    Spotify and Rogan, the Real Adults
    The company meets aging rockers Neil Young and Joni Mitchell halfway, but it’s not good enough for them.
    By Holman W. Jenkins, Jr.
    Feb. 1, 2022 6:23 pm ET

    Neil Young found a way to remind you he exists. So did Joni Mitchell. These children of the ’60s may not recall the spirit of the Berkeley free speech movement, but they do the era’s sanctimony, with their ultimatum to Spotify to stop streaming their music if it continues to host the antic, disobedient podcast of comedian and actor Joe Rogan.

    Only in stereotype are the elderly sweet and meek, at least other than when hulked over by someone disturbingly youthful and vigorous. Judge Richard Posner in his book on aging and human nature noted that older people, less dependent on “transacting with others,” actually have less reason than younger people to conceal their obnoxiousness. How much more so two superstars approaching their 80s with a lifetime of royalties in the bank.

    And yet the story is turning out better than we might have hoped. On receiving their demand, Spotify obliged them by removing their tunes while also acknowledging a responsibility for the occasionally regrettable content of Mr. Rogan’s podcast.

    Mr. Rogan apologized for not policing himself or his guests better, acknowledging that his free-wheeling talkathons did not always adhere to high standards of accuracy or good sense.

    This was reasonable all round. In the platform vs. publisher debate, Spotify is clearly a publisher because it paid a reported $100 million to distribute his podcasts exclusively.

    Mr. Rogan understands the difference too. He was willing, instead of prating about free speech, to meet his commercial partner halfway in the impossible work of making everyone happy.

    This was grown-up behavior, and good to see. Mr. Rogan, demonstrating Judge Posner’s point, went out of his way to declare himself a fan of Mr. Young’s music.

    If more evidence was needed that moral panics have endings as well as beginnings, Twitter,under questioning from CNN, admitted this week it had stopped censoring what it regards as lies about the presidential race.

    “The 2020 U.S. election is not only certified, but President Biden has been in office for more than a year,” a spokesperson explained, implying that censorship would be avoided except in the social media equivalent of shouting fire in a crowded theater.

    Utopians might wish it were otherwise, but there is no way to censor lies without censoring the truth. You do only damage by trying. This is a thing that civil libertarians once understood.

    Progressives trust themselves to distinguish truth from lies, even though they demonstrably fail when the lie serves their interests. They live by the judgment: “I am a thinking person. You are not. You are an algorithm programmed by society. I, as a superior person, must make sure you are programmed with the correct thoughts.”

    Fear is their real power. If you don’t see how often corporate and individual obeisances to the ESG litany are driven by fear rather than conviction, you aren’t paying attention.

    You also aren’t paying attention if you haven’t noticed how progressives are conveniently ready to stipulate that defending somebody’s right to speak is tantamount to agreeing with them.

    Mr. Rogan’s existence ought to make you feel better about our society, though. His success speaks to a desire by his large audience for contradictory, dissenting, off-kilter, even absurd views.

    Audiences seek controversy not just to open their minds, not just to annoy their betters, but because to hear impertinent, unapproved talk feels like freedom.

    It’s worth a whole other column, and unfortunately a lengthy one, to disentangle the magical thinking of Covid ideology, which got Mr. Rogan in trouble in the first place. Let’s be satisfied with an example. All through Monday evening’s show, National Public Radio teased a segment about school parents who—get this—are both pro-vaccine and anti-mask. Heads explode, as if masks and vaccines aren’t different tools with different uses. Somehow they have to be regarded as ideological totems and embraced as a package.

    The flight of liberal writers to Substack and other non-mainstream venues in the Covid era is often misinterpreted: It’s not because they’ve had a conservative awakening. They are simply repulsed by such NPR-style stupidity.

    A final point about Covid ideology. The allegation most repeated against Mr. Rogan is that he has been soft on the need of healthy young people to seek vaccination.

    Though Mr. Young and Ms. Mitchell are Canadian by birth, they are perhaps fully naturalized in the attitude, manifested by $100 trillion in U.S. unfunded liability for Social Security and Medicare, that there’s nothing the young don’t owe the old.

    Yes, there are many counterexamples, including many readers of my age who emailed me early in the pandemic to complain that the lockdowns were blighting the prospects of their teenage and 20-something children. But the predatory intergenerational layer of Covid ideology is real and worth mentioning too.

    Appeared in the February 2, 2022, print edition.









     
  3. jo mama

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    i wish some of yall would get as upset over actual government censorship and restrictions on the 1st and 4th amendments as much as you do over private companies and private individuals doing what they think is right for their business or themselves.

    did yall ever raise any concerns about a sitting president going around telling his supporters to boycott a whole range of products, businesses and organizations? i bet you didnt.

    i also notice that many of you doing this are the same posters who put way more effort into complaining about the treatment of january 6th insurrectionists than you do condemning them.
     
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    In the meantime, Republican officials have either threaten or enacted laws to ban books and teachings that cause discomfort to the right, attack freedom of the press, restrict individual and private entities' speech and how they should run their lives or businesses.
     
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    Since the right now wants companies to air opposing viewpoints, Fox News should be forced to schedule 12 hours a day to BLM, Antifa and identity politics.
     
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    White House wades into Spotify controversy as India.Arie and more artists pull music

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts...otify-rogan-white-house-covid-misinformation/

    excerpt:

    The White House is joining the debate about coronavirus misinformation on streaming platform Spotify, insisting that more needs to be done to ensure Americans get accurate information about the pandemic.

    Press secretary Jen Psaki called it a “positive step” that Spotify had decided to add disclaimers about covid misinformation in response to criticism from medical professionals and musicians that some content, in particular from provocative podcaster Joe Rogan, spreads false information about the coronavirus and vaccines.

    “Our hope is that all major tech platforms and all major news sources, for that matter, be responsible and be vigilant to ensure the American people have access to accurate information on something as significant as covid-19,” Psaki said Tuesday. “That certainly includes Spotify.”

    “So this disclaimer, it’s a positive step, but we want every platform to continue doing more to call out misinformation and disinformation while also uplifting accurate information,” she added.
    more at the link
     
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    Lol
    This is all fake outrage anyways . Nobody who is outraged about Joe Rogan has even listened to the podcast. Hell I don’t even think these cable tv Addicts know what a podcast is.

    This is exactly the same thing with Chappelle and DaBaby.
    0 people who were outraged at Dave watched his special. And 0 is a high estimate.
    0 people who were outraged at DaBabys joke at his rap concert knows 1 DaBaby song.
    In fact they can’t tell the difference DaBaby and lil Baby
     
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    your comment has nothing to do with my post that you quoted. and most of the "outrage" seems to be coming from right-wingers who are whining about censorship and want to tell private companies and individuals how to run their businesses.

    im not outraged over joe rogan and ive listened to dozens of his podcast episodes. im not outraged over chappelle and i dont even know who dababy is.
     
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    Fake outrage is the D&D
    @Os Trigonum
     
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    you probably post in here more than anyone else so if you think thats the case than why are you here?
     
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    If someone wants to listen to Neil young
    They can
    If someone wants to listen to Rogan they can

    there’s no real outrage because 95% of people on Spotify don’t listen to Neil young or know who he is
     
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    Yes even without Spotify there are plenty of ways to listen to Joe Rogan or Neil Young.
     
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    Exactly.

    This isn't like where people can't find toilet paper
    or when Tom Brady is retiring
     
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    agree. you should have said this on page 1 brah! could have saved us countless hours!

    what im most outraged about is how many people out there dont know who neil young is. one of the greatest songwriters of all time...of all time!

    they must be da baby fans???

    personally, i prefer d'gary...
     
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    Rock music in general hasn’t been received well this generation
    It’s considered old people music
     
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    rolling stone says greta van fleet are the saviors or rock and roll.

    i think we can all agree that is fake news.
     
  18. bobrek

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    And, sadly, they are trying to censor votes.
     
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    I don't think the kids know the difference between Neil young and Neil Diamond

    but all I know is

    @basso > @SamFisher
     
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    **** I might have broke space-time
    All I know is that you deserve and desperately need hugs from close friends and family in real life.
     
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