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[The Hill] Spotify sides with Joe Rogan after Neil Young ultimatum

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Jan 26, 2022.

  1. Commodore

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    'Fake news' was a term originated by norm macdonald for SNL weekend update
     
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    think (opinion) is not the same as disinformation/misinformation (factually wrong)

    no one wants to censorship opinions (except banning books, censoring own-party members for different opinions, urging violence against those with different opinions, and that sort of things that are getting more common)

    blocking disinformation/misinformation is not censorship of opinions
     
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    and made extremely popular by an un-originator
     
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    anyone who wants to be an arbiter of truth is bad, and people that long for one are bad and weak
     
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    My favorite Neil "Diamond" Young song...
     
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    1+1=2

    Is that bad?
     
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    People take this guys scientific opinion over actual scientists?

     
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    I mean, they did elect a game show host to be president.
     
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    Yeah true enough but we’re talking donkey piss and semen here…
     
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    Just cancel Rogan already.
     
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    well this will probably make some heads explode here :cool:

    The Pressure Campaign on Spotify to Remove Joe Rogan Reveals the Religion of Liberals: Censorship
    All factions, at certain points, succumb to the impulse to censor. But for the Democratic Party's liberal adherents, silencing their adversaries has become their primary project.

    https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-pressure-campaign-on-spotify
     
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    And get their news from memes
     
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    It's voting with their dollars. Money is the only thing the real powerbrokers understand.
     
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    Is boycotting a form of censorship? Or is it the free market?
     
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    at the risk of re-entering the fray and having people put words in my mouth or make distracting comparisons to things like book burning, flag burning, witches burning . . . .

    Why do you ask about boycotting? without a bit more context, I have nothing here to go on. And Greenwald's article cites a single boycotting example.

    I will go back to the original topic. It seems to me that the crux of this issue is that Neil Young made extortive demands on Spotify to engage in censorship of Joe Rogan on his (Young's) behalf. It is likely he knew fully well that Spotify would refuse that demand and that this was an excellent opportunity to create awareness for himself and for this issue.

    Young could have acted differently. He could have called upon his fans to drop their Spotify subscriptions. If that amounts to what you are describing as a boycott, I have no problem with that: people are free to make their own choices, and that is to me the paramount value (freedom), all else being equal.

    But for Young to make the extortive demand . . . a demand that would in effect take away Rogan's entire communication platform (yes, I know he would still have Youtube etc) crosses the line between a legitimate protest of Rogan's podcast and an illegitimate attempt to SILENCE Rogan and deprive Rogan's listeners of their ability to listen to his podcast.
     
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    That's a long winded way of saying Neil Young boycotted Spotify.

    Yes, it's a boycott. There is nothing more to it. This works exactly like a boycott. Spotify only takes action when the boycott is large enough where it impacts their bottom line...just like a boycott.

    Nothing Young did violated anyone's right. Does Young have a right to remove his content from Spotify for whatever reason?

    A boycott in itself is a form of extortion. It's extortion by mechanism of free speech and the free market. Young has the freedom to express his boycott and pull his content and Spotify has the freedom to act on Neil's desires based on market conditions. So what makes a boycott not an extortion?
     
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    no. that's is exactly NOT what I said. Once again putting words in my mouth. Neil Young is not "boycotting" Spotify. He could have called on his fans to "boycott" Spotify by encouraging them to drop their subscriptions. That would be a boycott. A boycott is not censorship.

    Neil Young himself threw a censorship hissy fit on the way to something that might otherwise have resulted in a boycott, as described in my fourth paragraph above:

    Young could have acted differently. He could have called upon his fans to drop their Spotify subscriptions. If that amounts to what you are describing as a boycott, I have no problem with that: people are free to make their own choices, and that is to me the paramount value (freedom), all else being equal.
    I will agree with you that the line between actual censorship and the censoring effects of a genuine consumer boycott are not 100 percent separate and/or unambiguously clear cut. But I disagree with your label of Young's actions as a "boycott"; or at least it seems to me that how you apply that term to Young's actions is a non-standard use of that term as it is commonly used.
     

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