Isn't the mvp level play for 15 days between 3/14 and 3/29 over a span of 8 games? The first half of march, he was better than before for sure but nothing like mvp level.
13-2 stretch is 8 games? What was his averages and more importantly his on/off impact during those 15 games.
I thought we were talking about Green's performance, not team record. the first 6 games in march he shot about 33% from 3 for example. Not mvp level for sure, that was my point.
Totally disagree, they both won a western conference player of the week. I happen to think Sengun has a much higher ceiling than green. Watching green for three years makes me think his absolute peak is Zach Lavine. A borderline star who can score at will and helps you beat the worst teams in the league but never good enough to win in long run. The reason I say this is because of his frame. I don't think he will ever be big or strong enough to be a premier defender in the league. You would also expect someone with his speed and athleticism to have much higher STOCK numbers. Besides scoring he impacts the game in 0 ways. Doesn't hustle for boards or seem really engaged in defense or even want to take on the challenge of guarding the other teams best players ALA Anthony Edwards. on the flip side Senguns floor is Sabonis. I would take Sabonis over Lavine any day. Because Sengun can impact the game in soo many ways. Weather it's setting up offense, rebounding and his STOCK numbers are still better than Jalen's. His ceiling is something close to Jokic so even if Jalen somehow magically becomes Anthony Edwards, I'd still rather have a Jokic. I think people get too caught up in the wow factor. Jalen has a lot of WOW but it just doesn't lead to winning .
So what were his averages during that 15 game stretch and what was the on off impact? Like what was the point differential of the team when Jalen was on the bench and what was the point differential of the team went Jalen was on the court during that 13-2 stretch.
The average doesn't matter, because we are talking about his extraordinary mvp level performance. Diluting his 8 game averages to 15 games doesn't mean he was that good in 15 games. That's the whole point of the Green discussion, 2 40 point and 2 10 point games is not the same as 2 22 points and 2 28 point games, although they average the same. I don't give a **** about on-off numbers, as they hardly show anything about the player's impact, as I explained to you many times.
Edit: Green's future will be determined by whether he can score 25 on a consistent basis with good efficiency, not by whether he can get 35 points regularly.
Correct. Darrell Morray would have already traded all the young guys for Durant or Paul George at this point.
Are you okay? On/off numbers are not the be all end all but if a NBA team is 13-2 during a stretch and only one player out of the entire roster going to the bench results in a negative pt differential and when he's on the court the Rockets have an elite pt differential, it tells me he was the the main reason for the 13-2 record. The Rockets had a negative pt differential when Green rested during a 13-2 stretch and he was the only player during that stretch where the team had a negative pt differential when they went to the bench.
I agree on Jalen hitting a peak that no other players on this roster has shown although it was short lived. The problem is that his peaks and valleys have been far apart with too many games he has been borderline unplayable. This season will be make or break for Jalen. If he shows any semblance of consistency then he has a decent shot of sticking around. On Alpi, it's disingenuous to use his first two seasons against him while Silas did him no favors in his development. Sengun had to overcome getting benched for Theis and Bruno Fernando while also having to endure a terrible 3-center rotation and getting iced out of the offense by KPJ. Last season under Ime was the first time legitimately being featured in a real offense and he flourished. Using last season as a building block, my money is on Alpi being the safer investment long term.
Again, you are doing the same thing by diluting the numbers to 1 month but not answering the question. How was his performance in the first 6 games of March compared to next 8 games. I say he was significantly better in the next 8 games and bundling them together with the first 6 won't give a meaningful picture because the whole point is he is doing this extraordinary performances rarely, and average performances most of the time.
there was plenty of playoff teams during that run. Its very easy to go back and look and not continue a cognitive bias
In his first 10 games of March the Rockets were one of the worst teams in the NBA per game the moment Jalen went to rest at -7 ppg pt differential and the Rockets were one of the best teams in he NBA the moment he was on the court. The Rockets were one of the worst teams in the league when Jalen was on the bench during a 13-2 stretch for the team. Really think about how absurd that is. This stretch doesn't include his amazing games against the Wizards, OKC and the Jazz at the tail end of the winning streak.
Long Term I see it as Alpi- #2 option Jalen- #3/4 option Jabari- 3&D knife/#5 scoring option Tari- defensive anchor/bad guy Amen- leader/all around pest Cam- #3/4 option/bad guy Reed- 6th man playmaker/Sniper AJ- Sniper Team need a rim protector and legit #1 option…A point guard and a backup center would elevate this team. FVV as a #3/4 guy and Adams not being that rim protector anymore isn’t going to cut it long term. I think this team has to go get Fox or Trae young. If Trae is the guy, Cam and Amen have to start for defensive purposes unless Jalen takes that leap this year… if not sending Jalen to the bench with reed aj tari would bring athleticism with defensive ability to go with a rim running center as reed is too small to start and tari isn’t a better shooter than cam to start. Trae/Reed Cam/Jalen Amen/AJ/Free Agent Jabari/Eason Sengun/Free Agent If Fox is the guy then it’s easy. Assuming brooks landale and picks would get it done money wise Fox/Reed Jalen/AJ Amen/Cam Jabari/Eason Sengun/Free Agent similar to the kings but this team is much better defensively with better scoring options and a true at least great #2 option to compete in a west that’s going downhill.
Sure but if we specifically look at when Sengun went out of the lineup. It was OKC without SGA and Cleveland. So he had 2 games against quality opponents and one was missing their MVP level player. He got Washington twice, Utah twice, Portland, Chicago and San Antonio. then we played 4 playoff teams in a row and he was complete garbage. So which one am I to believe? He literally does this every season. He looks good at the end of the year for a stretch of games then starts the next season sucking again. He set some 3 point rookie records at the end of his first year. Then what happened?Why do you keep falling for it?
