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The girl with the mattress

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, May 22, 2015.

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What do you think?

  1. The girl is right - the guy raped her

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  2. The girl is a psycho ex who is trying to take revenge

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  3. I detect bias - need more facts

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  1. Mr. Clutch

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    Gross.

    Well so much for her post Columbia career
     
  2. AroundTheWorld

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    The video is down, but someone torrented it...watched it. Pretty damn stupid.
     
  3. cml750

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    After learning a little bit more about this, I wish I could re-vote in the poll to the crazy ex choice instead of detect bias need more info but I never rush to judgement.
     
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  4. Duncan McDonuts

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    Rapist.
     
  5. durvasa

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    I haven't followed this that closely, but I don't see why her mattress or video performance art changes how believable her story is. We can't assume that just because her behavior or her "performance art" is eccentric, what all she said about what happened to her must be a lie.
     
  6. AroundTheWorld

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    Obviously not.

    • Girl sleeps around, tells guy about it
    • Girl and guy become friends with benefits
    • Girl tells guy to **** her in the butt
    • Guy has sex with girl and, among other things, ***** her in the butt
    • Girl and guy keep seeing each other and having sex
    • Girl keeps sending guy messages that she loves him etc.
    • Guy starts dating other girl
    • Girl and guy have sex again
    • Girl keeps telling guy again that she loves him
    • Guy doesn't react much
    • Months later, girl says he raped her
    • Guy is cleared of all of girl's allegations both by the university and the police
    • Girl starts carrying around mattress
    • Girl is allowed to get university credit for slandering innocent guy as an "art project"
    • Feminists and leftists don't care about the fact that the guy was cleared of all charges, celebrate "mattress girl" as a hero, invite her to state of the union address, etc.
    • After graduation (which she attends with mattress), girl releases hardcore p*rn video of herself with some guy from a fetish website that is supposed to show consensual sex that develops into non-consensual sex
    • durvasa embarrasses himself and says that one cannot say that girl lied
    • The End.
     
  7. Duncan McDonuts

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    Her "art" being ridiculous isn't the main evidence as to her craziness. Nothing of her story adds up.
     
  8. Mr. Clutch

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    I dont think that's the argument. Her story was dismissed by the school and police. It was already not believable.

    She's just making herself look stupid and destroying any chance of putting the Columbia degree to good use.

    Young college kids these days seem to be getting really bad advice. Or none at all.

    The guy who was falsely accused also has a lawsuit pending against the school. Not sure if this helps his case.

    Her behavior would make a lot more sense if she went to Colombia.
     
  9. durvasa

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    I assumed it was the argument, because at least one poster's opinion in this thread seems to have shifted after that video she put out.

    I'm glad the real argument is not about the mattress or sex video she made, but rather is focusing on the accusation itself.

    So, what part of her story didn't add up?
     
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  10. durvasa

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    Are these the confirmed facts? What's the source of this relationship history?

    This I knew. But absence of evidence against the accused is not evidence the accuser is lying.
     
  11. durvasa

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    I read article from post 12 of this thread. So then there are text messages confirming this. The most damning part is that she apparently continued to have friendly correspondence with him after the alleged incident. Has she been questioned on this?
     
  12. Nook

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    Basically this.

    I would only add her odd comment of if you watch it and don't react the way she wants after watching the video it is rape.
     
  13. AroundTheWorld

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    ‘MATTRESS GIRL’ EMMA SULKOWICZ JUST RELEASED A SEX TAPE: HERE’S MY REVIEW

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    In preparing for this review, my researcher had to watch Emma Sulkowicz, a.k.a. “Mattress Girl,” perform fellatio on an overweight man eleven times. He tells me that he is now seriously considering homosexuality.

    Sulkowicz is famous for an extremely dubious rape allegation against a fellow student at Columbia University, and then staging a bizarre and attention-seeking “protest” at the university’s and subsequently local law enforcement’s stubborn refusal to find him guilty purely on her say-so.

    She carried a mattress around with her on campus and refused to put a stop to her narcissistic antics until he was punished (for a crime he most likely did not commit) or she graduated (which, for reasons that escape the common man, Columbia has allowed her to do). The boy’s account of what happened between the night Sulkowicz says she was raped and graduation is harrowing, and serves as a warning to any student stupid enough to consider having sex on one of today’s college campuses, with their Twilight Zone extrajudicial rape hearings and the absurdities of Title IX legislation.

    Naturally, Sulkowicz has become a feminist icon. But the activists and bloggers who supported her will be feeling a little uneasier this week, after she peeled back a few more layers on her own deep psychological dysfunction and apparently limitless ego by resorting to that age-old remedy for waning stardom: the sex tape.

    Of course, like Sulkowicz’s previous psychiatric outburst, it’s all dressed up as “art,” else the men in white coats would already be on their way over to Morningside Heights. A website, titled “This is not a rape” (in French — ooh la la!) hosted, until earlier this afternoon, the video, which we may as well do the courtesy of examining as a work of creative activity, as Sulkowicz insists, rather than a sordid cry for help.

    Good p*rn never starts with a pop quiz so we’re off to a poor start with the site’s bizarre and incomprehensible statements which reach for, but fail to grasp, profundity. Sulkowicz’s inner nine-year-old is never far from the surface: questions she asks visitors include “Do you think I’m the perfect victim or the world’s worst victim?” and “Do you hate me? If so, how does it feel to hate me?”

    And then it’s down to business. If you absolutely must watch the video, you can, at least for the time being, find it here. But don’t say I didn’t warn you. p*rn star Mercedes Carrera described it earlier today as “a bad amateur sex tape from an attention-seeking histrionic.” She was being too generous… but let’s plough on.

    At the start of the tape, Sulkowicz enters a dorm room, blue-haired — for that is the uniform of the Internet feminist and masturbatory social justice warrior — pursued by a bear. Online critics have expressed dismay at the fact she hasn’t bothered to make the carpet match the drapes by dying her pubic hair blue. It’s a recent innovation known to the social justice community as “the full San Francisco.” Perhaps this fashion-forward intimate grooming trend is yet to appear on the east coast.

    What follows is punchy. By which I mean Sulkowicz gets punched, though she insists in the unhinged copy on her website that everything in the video is consensual. There follows much quivering of flesh and a deeply unsatisfactory blow job. As a queer, I can tell you it is probably the most lazily and messily administered head I have seen in years. If this is the sort of oral sex straight men are getting, can anyone blame them for retreating into p*rnography and video games?

    Emma gets on top and grinds around for a minute or so, trying to show off her sinewy, sexual side, but leaving this author wondering if she might need a scoliosis brace. Then there’s a bit of punching, and a bit of apparently forced sex — which Sulkowicz says has nothing whatsoever to do with her alleged real-life rape, not at all, not one bit, don’t you even think it!

    If you know what hentai is, you’ll be familiar with the spectacle of a blue-haired Asian woman screaming for it all to stop whilst not really meaning it with a man pounding away noiselessly like a mechanistic rape engine. It’s not exactly an original set-up.

    Perhaps the most despicable section of the film is the creepily self-conscious fetal position into which Sulkowicz places herself after her sexual partner has left the room, clothes in hand. She’s practised that for hours, has our girl. For how long, one wonders, did she rehearse?

    Readers anxious for more granular detail will most likely already have followed the link above. We shall pass over gorier specifics, save to observe that for someone who has previously urged a sexual partner to “**** me in the butt,” Sulkowicz doesn’t seem to particular enjoy this activity, nor show any special aptitude for it.

    It’s telling, I think, that in Sulkowicz’s purported college dorm room there are no books. She has the same lack of interest in aesthetics as she does in intellectual enrichment: both in her choice of sexual partner (apparently satisfactory member notwithstanding) and the grim, bare walls with which she surrounds herself. Though I expect the austerity of her room reflects her barren emotional interior really rather well.

    You can tell “dad bods” are in fashion because both of the people in this video have one. But you do at least have to give an actress credit for doing nude scenes with a man who has larger breasts than she does. Sulkowicz’s size queendom apparently extends to love handles and leave the viewer sympathetic to the travails of her infamous mattress.

    It’s revealing of her vanity that she insists on being filmed from four angles. Every crevasse of her unappealing naked body must be considered. Her congressional interlocutor is a gruesome sight in three dimensions, chosen, probably, to make young Emma look thinner. Which doesn’t work, I’m sorry to say.

    All in all, it’s a tawdry, miserable encounter that tells us nothing about sexual assault or sex itself but quite a bit about the quasi-demonic inner workings of one Emma Sulkowicz.

    This tape is not a depiction of rape, even a fictional one. (She puts the condom on him, for a start. Later, she entreats him: “Hit me again.”) It is a clumsily choreographed exercise in self-love designed to propel Sulkowicz into the public eye again, just as her original false allegations and mattress-carrying did before. It obliterates the line between guilty pleasure and revolting spectacle.

    And, just as her mattress fiasco damaged the real victims of rape by making it harder for women everywhere to report crimes and be believed, so too does this narcissistic sociopath’s latest pseudo-intellectual endeavour make life worse for other women. By subordinating every element of the video’s production to her own intergalactic ego, Sulkowicz trivialises rape by leveraging it as a trivial plot point in the continuing melodrama of her own self-obsession.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollyw...icz-just-released-a-sex-tape-heres-my-review/
     
  14. AroundTheWorld

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    Of course, there are still fans...

    http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-social-advocacy/2015/06/emma-sulkowicz-made-a-film/

    Emma Sulkowicz Made a Film

    I watched Emma Sulkowicz’s video, Ceci nest pas un viol. I hesitate to call it a “sex tape,” like just about everyone else on the internet because I believe that it’s more than that, and to label it a "sex tape" is reductive.

    To be honest, I don’t know why I watched it. I knew that it would be triggering, but I've been following Sulkowicz and her message, and I wanted to know what she was trying to say with this. So, I did it, I watched it.

    And what I saw was something extraordinarily revealing.

    Sulkowicz says that the video is not a recreation of her sexual assault, and that she wants the viewer to examine their reactions to the narrative. She wants the viewer to ask themselves what they want to get from watching what happens to her.

    She gives 99% of her viewers too much credit.

    Most of them come to bash her without even thinking about what they were doing there in the first place.

    Sulkowicz says it's an art piece, but I think that it is so much more than that.

    Because Sulkowicz’s piece illustrates, in no uncertain terms, and with no equivocation, the difference between consensual sex and rape.

    In the beginning of the video, Sulkowicz is a woman who is in control of her sexual agency (scary I know). But when her intimate partner begins to cross the line and becomes violent everything changes. Sulkowicz did what advocates have been trying to do – she showed everyone what an acquaintance rape looks like. And if you go on to read the comments, she also shows you why survivors don’t come forward.

    The rage, the vitriol, the hate that spews from the anonymous human detritus is revolting, and indicative of the culture of rape that women (and men, and trans people, and children, and teens, and gender non-conforming individuals) live with every day.

    You want to know what rape looks like? Emma Sulkowicz just showed you.
     
  15. Mr. Clutch

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    The part where she said she was violently raped.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/03/columbia-student-i-didn-t-rape-her.html

    http://reason.com/blog/2015/04/24/student-accused-of-rape-by-mattress-girl
     
  16. durvasa

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    OK. Response article, from Sulkowicz's perspective:

    http://jezebel.com/how-to-make-an-accused-rapist-look-good-1682583526

    It includes her annotations on the back-and-forth texting. After which, quoting the article:

    [rquoter]To anyone who has been been close to a person who has been the victim of acquaintance rape, Emma's messages to Paul don't seem out of the ordinary, or indicative of anything except a young woman who wants her life to return to normalcy. Sulkowicz says she didn't take going public with her assault lightly, and that she'd never do it just to mess with somebody's life. In response to Nungesser's implication that she and his other accusers had conspired to ruin him, she told Jezebel, "Why would I lie about this kind of thing when just telling the truth means that I have to deal with crazy reporters like Cathy Young who team up with my rapist to dig through my personal Facebook messages in order to frame me as a hysterical b****?"[/rquoter]

    In the end, after reading both articles, this seems very much like "he said, she said".
     
  17. AroundTheWorld

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    If that is your conclusion after looking at all the facts available, then

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    Clearly:

    Mattress Girl: "**** me in da butt"

    Nungesser: "Ja"
     
  20. durvasa

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    Don't be frustrated. I think you can make a better attempt at changing my mind, if you wish to.
     

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