Mr. Mooch, Nice sig. Oh yeah, DMB does not suck...but let me see here, oh yeah, here's your mom's number and if you want a... oh nevermind, I suppose you are entitled to your opinion. Opinions and Idiots, I suppose one can go with the other.
Oneal NEVER shot in the 30%s. He always put up respectable numbers he just didn't have the PT. EG is heading for another year of 30%s and he's had plenty of PT over the past couple of years to show his game. Just because they are both young and play the same position doesn't mean they will have the same game. EG will never have Oneal's game. Horry is a better comparison - an low percentage PF who can block shots and rebound. But he should never be shooting 15 shots per game.
I concur, and want to point out that I never proposed that BOKI (or Jackson)should push Cat to the bench. My point was that I like to see Griffin and Boki starting. Now that you mention it, I would like to see Jackson as the sixth man with Griffin and Boki holding down the forward spots. Boki's immediate impact would be his ability to rebound. Once he stops pressing, he'll be a decent 5th option on offense. We have enough shooters on the pine to add spread to the offense (Pike...out for a month, I know; Jackson, can hit from downtown, but he's a solid offensive spark off the bench); and I do believe that once Boki gains his confidence he'll stroke from outside or slash to the hole. On defense, well that starting line-up is a little like Russian roulette, but these guys (Griffin and Boki) will get minutes to improve over the course of the season.
i never said that they are the same. i just said that we should judge griffin so soon. maybe o'neal would have the same numbers as griffin if he had that much playing time, we will never know, al we know is that we have a young kidd that has potential. and that needs time to develop. give him that time, or we will make the same mistake as portland and toronto did
I could see the potiential of TMac - I didn't see enought of O'neal to grade him (too busy watching Sheed) - I've seen plenty of EG and I don't see anywhere near the potiential. He has the ugliest offensive game I've seen in a PF in a long time.
Samaki wallace seriously, i still believe Griffin has potential, ok not as much as t-mac did. but Griffin is young and confidence and maturity make a big difference IMHO
EG falls in the Robert Horry(Rocket days) mold. He has all the talent in the world but comes up short.
If Eddie is not dunking, he isn't scoring. Even Steve the point guard won't give him the ball when he is Wide open. Nobody has confidence in Griffin. I don't think Griffin has confidence in himself to make a shot if his life depended on it. Unless it's a slam dunk with nobody around him for 10 feet.
All you EG haters will look pretty silly when he comes up big this year. He is averaging nearly 10 rebounds and 3 blocks through the preseason in limited minutes and all he needs is a little time for his post shots to go down. He is just now starting to get a taste of the ball in the post and has probably posted up as much this preseason as he did his entire rookie year. As he gains confidence and his shots start falling, you haters are going to be picking lots of black feathers out of your teeth.
EG could be a good role player like Jefferson. Some people said that EG can't creat his own shot, well, when you have 3 20-points-a-night type of guy on the floor, why should you want another iso player? EG won't be next Duncan, next Garnett, nor next Pippen, he don't have to be. EG can rebound, he can play D, once he can start hitting some of those open jumpers, he just might be the miss piece we been waitting for.
Andy we aren't Eddie haters! None of us are. The reason the Griffin threads are so popular is not because we want to get rid of him, but because there are high hopes for him. His game has improves since his rookie year and last year from the few preseason games we've watched. But his shooting has gone from bad to worse. It isn't too much to ask a PF to make at least 40% of his FG's. Eddie is way below that. And PF should be more in the range of 45 to 50% of field goals. Eddie is shooting the basketball worse than I remember him. Maybe he's added to much muscle too quickly. Whatever the case Eddie is shooting horribly!
