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The future of the EU and the UK, post-Brexit

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Dec 4, 2016.

  1. MojoMan

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    The father of the House. Indeed.

    Ken Clarke: I would support Jeremy Corbyn as PM to block 'no deal' Brexit

    Kenneth Clarke, the former Tory Chancellor, has said he would support Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister if it was “the only way” to stop a no-deal Brexit.

    Speaking on Sky News, he said: “So long as we were absolutely certain we could keep Jeremy under control and he would not have any chance of implementing any bits of his manifesto, I hate to tell you that I probably would [back him as Prime Minister]. I don’t think it’s going to happen because I must be one of a tiny number of Conservatives prepared to contemplate that...he is about the least suitable person of all to maximise support in the House of Commons.”
     
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    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Whatever anyone thinks of Johnson's specific move in this one extreme case, I would hope everyone could agree it's a stupid subclause in their system of government. At any point, in any year, a PM (be they labor or conservative or socialist or fascist) can just snap their fingers like Thanos and shut down Parliament. Sounds like a great plan. Maybe Cheeto Christ should contemplate such a Constitutional Amendment here in 'Merica!
     
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    Except we basically have the same thing here. However, Ours happens at the end of every Congress, at two year intervals. So at the end of 2020, at the end of the year following the elections, the current Congress will be ended and on on January 2, 2021, the next Congress will convene. Nominations and legislation that were in process in the old Congress will effectively expire, current congressional terms will end, and a fresh Congress will start in the new year, with any of the previous nominations or legislation that are desired to be carried over needing to be re-nominated or resubmitted.

    Did you really not know that?
     
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    do you really think this is the same thing?

    or that anybody believes the B.S. you are peddling?
     
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    The Tories are looking pretty strong in the polls. This is where a vote of no confidence leads, by the way.

     
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    The Prime Minister says that the UK is leaving the EU on October 31, "Do or die," and that no "technical" extensions of the Brexit date will be considered.

    Government rules out ‘technical’ Brexit extension past 31 October

    The British government has ruled out a “technical” extension of the Brexit deadline to give parliament time to ratify a new deal. UK chief negotiator David Frost held meetings with EU officials this week, the first in a stepped-up programme of talks that will see him return to Brussels every week.

    A leaked EU diplomatic note seen by The Independent says that during the talks Mr Frost privately ruled out a “technical” extension to talks – which had been suggested given the time pressures on MPs.

    Boris Johnson has said publicly the UK will be a leaving the EU on 31 October “do or die”, with or without a deal. Mr Frost is said to have assured EU officials that ratification of a deal would be possible in the second half of October – despite the prime minister’s decision to reduce the time available to MPs by proroguing parliament.​
     
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    ^^^^Great. Less talk, more action.
     
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    I wonder how much they're embezzling on order to secure a ticket to Bezos' space colony.

    With how much ****ery is being wrought on this planet for future generations, that has to be the play here, right?
     
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    Boris Johnson is treating the votes to undermine his Brexit plans next week the same as a vote of no confidence. For any rebel Tories voting to support these efforts, they will be disqualified from contesting their seats as Tories at the next election.

    Such vote will result in the end of their political careers. Obviously, this is intended to cause all marginal Tories to think twice, nay three times, before rebelling in this way.

    Boris Johnson will take on Remainer Tories by sacking MPs who vote to block No Deal Brexit

    The PM will treat next week’s vital Commons votes like a no-confidence vote in his Government, with rebel Tories disqualified from contesting their seats. Former pro-Remain Cabinet ministers such as David Gauke and Philip Hammond would end their careers as Tory MPs if they back the legislation.

    No10 hopes the move will persuade some waverers not to rebel. It deals a major blow to Remainers’ hopes of blocking a No Deal as they see next week as the last chance to thwart Mr Johnson’s Brexit plans before he suspends Parliament the following week.

    Meanwhile, ex-PM Gordon Brown claims EU leaders are prepared to offer an extension to Article 50 to avoid a No Deal. But a source said that while such a move is “possible”, it would also require UK Government approval.​
     
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    Michael Gove, who is in charge of the preparations for leaving the EU without a Withdrawal Deal in place with the EU, is promising today that there will be no shortages of fresh food in the event of a no deal exit.

    Michael Gove promises 'no shortages of fresh food' in event of No Deal ahead of Government's Get Ready campaign

    Michael Gove has promised "no shortages of fresh food" in the event of No Deal as Government prepares to launch its Get Ready campaign. The Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster said that while some food prices would increase in the event of a No Deal Brexit, "Everyone will have the food they need. There will be no shortages of fresh food," he said.

    When asked on the Andrew Marr show if food prices would increase, Mr Gove, who is in charge of no-Deal preparations, said: "I think that there are a number of economic factors in play. "Some prices may go up. Other prices will come down."​

    This seemed pretty obvious to most rational thinking people. But it is nice of Mr. Gove to clarify this issue for everyone else.

    So the Remainer's "Operation Fear" has been foiled, yet again.
     
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    The first time they met, Corbyn spoke at a memorial service at Cenotaph in London commemorating those killed in the Second World War and gave an impassioned speech that touched on the problems facing his own part y.

    In the week that followed, the two men did what could be called a Corbyn-lite interview on Sky News. Corbyn had called for the abolition of over taxation in his last speech as Labour leader, while also calling for a new political settlement to tackle rising inequality. He said he was willing to "open up" the debate on taxation to allow everyone to pay their fair share.

    When asked what he would say to young people who have been inspired by the rise of the SNP, he said: "Well, first of all, I'm glad that they have done well. I'm glad that there's a chance to change things and I'm glad that they have shown that they can do it.

    "Secondly, I can answer your question completely honestly, because in many ways what Scotland has done is right. But it's not over not by a long shot."
     
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    Former British PM Tony Blair is warning current Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn against falling into the "Elephant trap" of agreeing to a general election, as it would result in the Tories winning by 'a comfortable majority'.

    Tony Blair warns Jeremy Corbyn a general election would produce a 'comfortable Tory majority'

    Supporting a snap general election is an "elephant trap" for the Labour Party that would lead to a "comfortable Tory majority", Tony Blair has warned Jeremy Corbyn.

    The former Labour leader said the success of the Liberal Democrats would mean Mr Corbyn would be unable to form a majority government, while the Brexit Party would "collapse" to the Conservative Party, delivering a victory to Boris Johnson.

    While an election after Brexit would be "right and necessary", sending the country to the polls before October 31 is a trap for the Labour Party it should avoid, he said.​

    It appears that a general election is what the efforts of the Remainers are most likely to result in next week, if they are successful. If they fail, then they will muddle around and agree on effectively nothing, before retreating to their annual party conferences for three weeks in late September and early November.

    From where I sit, their hopes reside with arch-Remainer John Bercow, the Speaker of Parliament, and whatever shenanigans he has up his sleeve.

    Stay tuned guys. This week could turn out to be action packed and very interesting.
     
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    Apparently Jeremy Corbyn does not keep the counsel of former Labour Prime Minister Tony Blair, as he has made it clear that as the opposition party, Labour will support a general election under ANY circumstances:

     
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    The rumor mill is blowing at Hurricane force velocities among the establishment media in London. One such rumor is that Boris Johnson will table a motion for an early election next week, perhaps on October 14. But after Parliament is prorogued by September 12 at the latest, he will have the power to change the date to after October 31, for logistical reasons perhaps. And with Parliament in a state of recess, there is nothing they will be able to do about it.

    This is apparently something that many among the opposition are currently concerned about.

     
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    British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, quintuples down on the October 31 Brexit date, as he insists in his tweet below that he will not request an extension from the EU under any circumstances.



    Get your seat belts on fellas. There could be bloodshed in the British House of Commons over the next few days. The Remainer opposition is pulling out all the stops and we already know there is no trick or scheme too slimy or low-down for these people. They appear to be all-in.

    And the current Prime Minister Boris Johnson has just cast aside the scabbard. There can be only one.

    Also, it looks like Boris is turning into quite the tweeter. Just saying. I guess that is how things are going to be here going forward.
     
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    Another similarity between johnson and trump...

     
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    Thunderdome - the Sequel. It is on. And it is happening now in the British House of Commons. Here is the live feed:

     

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