While the people who feel loyal to Ireland would now be separated. Northern Ireland's economy, jobs and even healthcare is heavily dependant to IRE. What you will say to cancer patients who won't be able to pay the trip by boat to the UK to get their treatments anymore since NI doesn't have them? Too bad you died, but it's fair? What you will say to the hundred of thousands who live in NI but pass over the border daily to go to work when they lose their jobs? Too bad you are jobless but it's fair? They voted to remain but because another nation wants it, its fair to wreck their lives? There will be a public inquiry. Im suprised you brought this up, coincidence? It is not an imaginary scenario of the future it is actually already being prepared and will be headed by a judge. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/23/calls-grow-for-public-inquiry-into-brexit Except for the referendum Cameron's funny business and the DUP laundering dark money from foreigners and Saudi princes, it will be set to examine May. Why she brought the red lines of no custom union, without even consulting with anyone. Why she kept postponing the votes. Remember if it wasn't for a citizen Ginna Miller, taking May to court there wouldn't even be voting on her deal by the parliament. She would just agree with the EU or not and that's it. She has tried from the start to act like a dictator. I don't know if it's reason to be found a traitor. But they need to change their political system a little. IMO. It can work when a PM has majority or a decency and dignity to resign but when someone like May without majority and who refuses to resign under any circumstances we have this mess. Anyway May will be forced out now but her place as the worst PM since the 18th century is already set in stone.
Over one million people went to the streets yesterday drapped with EU flags and signs asking a 2nd referendum. I will not be surprised if in 10 years from now the UK is the most EUphile nation. So far the children where fed poison for decades. Papers like the DailyMail, and politicians used to have the EU as the scapegoat for every problem they had. The moderate majority had mostly ignorance, and apathy towards the EU. They were taught that they weren't "real" Europeans. But now these children come with their parents to demonstrate peacefully. They are learning what a priviledge it is to be an EU citizen from an early age, because these rights and priviledges are about to be taken away from them. They are taking 10 and 12 hours trips from the Isles in the far north to come to London to show how much they want to remain EU citizens. Instead of apathy they have learned to appreciate it, and even fight for it.
After all that we have heard from Jacob Rees Moog and the ERG group, including their group of seven high profile attorneys who reviewed the approved alterations to the deal and pronounced them as 'no substantial change' and therefore Brexit in name only, is it possible that JRM and the ERG group are now going to vote for this deal? Because it appears the hopes for passing this deal may well be down to this group of people, who have been among the most outspoken critics of this deal at every point in this process until now: Theresa May pins Brexit vote hopes on Jacob Rees-Mogg – ‘It’s the last throw of the dice' The European Research Group (ERG) chairman has been a constant thorn in the PM’s side, steadfastly refusing to offer her his support and voting against her withdrawal agreement in two separate Parliamentary votes. However, he could emerge as her unlikely saviour after the source admitted Downing Street was pinning all its hopes on him to talk his colleagues round and back her in a possible third vote this week. The insider told the Mail on Sunday: “Number 10 are now banking it all on Jacob. If he can persuade colleagues to back the deal, we may still – just – get over the line. It’s the last throw of the dice." Mr Rees-Mogg, who is known to back Boris Johnson as a future Tory leader, and has even been described as acting as his “campaign manager”, is seen as pivotal in efforts to persuade the former Foreign Secretary to support Mrs May’s deal. Mr Rees-Mogg himself has said despite his deep dissatisfaction at Mrs May’s proposals, they would be better than no Brexit at all. Speaking to Nick Ferrari on LBC this week, he said: "Mrs May's deal, however bad it is, means that we are legally outside the European Union. We have got as close to leaving as we will ever get under these circumstances. If it is thwarted now, no-one is ever going to allow us another chance to have a vote. The whole weight of British establishment opinion will prevent that ever happening again." Ultimately the support of the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) seems to be key however - Mr Rees Mogg has vowed not to back the deal unless they do. I see the author's of this article putting the best face on the possibilites of JRM and the ERG group being the saviors of Theresa May's deal with the EU. But this seems like quite a reach based on these people's past posturing and statements on this subject. Also, like the last sentence says, it is also dependent on the DUP backing the deal, which does not seem particularly likely either. If Theresa May is down to JRM, the ERG and the DUP as her last hope, then the prospects of this deal finally passing now on the third time around are not looking very strong. Just saying.
Yes bad article as you said. The ERG alone can't pass May's deal. Even if the DUP is added. That's at most 90 votes. May has lost the centrist majority base of the Torries those who support a soft Brexit or remain. Her speech was the final nail on the coffin and even those of them who supported it in the last vote, have declared that they will vote against her now. But this that you said: "After all that we have heard from Jacob Rees Moog and the ERG group, including their group of seven high profile attorneys who reviewed the approved alterations to the deal and pronounced them as 'no substantial change' and therefore Brexit in name only" It's not true. The general attorney had written that the UK can potentially use the Vienna treaty to get the UK out of the backstop. That was the reason or excuse the ERG have found to be supportive of May's deal when no deal looked out of question. They waited for the DUP to succeed in their bribe first to vote for her deal, however with the wording the EU has put in the extension it makes any DUP bribe meaningless because what May had promised them : that they will be consulted in how the backstop is implemented, is prohibited now. That's why May has ceased trying to get their votes anymore.
Also I don't believe that Moggs is fully supporting Johnson to be May's successor. There are others from the ERG who want to become PM. Like Francois and Ian Duncan Smith. When May resigns or gets ousted this next week, you will hear much more about them in the news as they stab each other's back to try to get the seat. Johnson has a lot of enemies in the Torries so neither him nor the others have any chances to become Torry leader. They are too fundamentalist and in the case of Johnson populist.
No we are too busy being governed by a morally bankrupt con man that cannot even keep his lies straight and considers a psychopath dictator his buddy. Excuse me if I don’t take comfort in the USA currently being “better” than all this Brexit nonsense.
i would be extremely surprised at this, for the reasons i've already posted before. financially the eurozone is in DEEP trouble and i do not believe the eu will even survive the next decade in its current form. when things turn down the ecb and eu cummission are going to get roasted. if anything, eurosceptics are gaining votes on europhiles in nearly every eu country.
the distinction here though is that trump can be voted out of office by the public in a couple years, while eu cummission bureaucrats hold all the power (essentially both executive and legislative) in the eu by mere appointment
The UK Parliament will be voting tomorrow on MV3 and tonight on the following amendments: MPs will vote on seven amendments tonight, including the option to hold the seven indicative votes on alternative Brexit options being considered by the Prime Minister. The amendments are: Labour - Orders government to make time in Parliament for indicative votes Liberal Democrats - Extend Article 50 for second referendum Letwin - Allows MPs to seize control of Parliamentary business for indicative votes Quince - Brexiteer proposal to recommit Parliament to delivering Brexit Cooper - Orders Government to explain how it will stop no deal by Thursday Soubry - Forces second referendum Beckett - Gives Commons final say on whether UK leaves without a deal The DUP has apparently given some indication they will still vote no on MV3. Over the weekend, the success of this vote was supposedly down to getting the ERG group's support, which itself was dependent on the DUP voting yes. So, MV3 is being rolled in on a stretcher for this vote, and the hearse is idling out in back of Westminster waiting to haul it away. Just to remind everyone, the indicative votes are not binding, but if one passes by a large margin, that could have a powerful effect on what happens next. But as far as I can tell, non of these are clearly expected to pass. If perchance the #3 passes, allowing Parliament to "seize control of Parliamentary business for indicative votes," then again, those votes are not themselves binding. Also, Theresa May has been agreeable to these sorts of votes all along anyway, so these could be held without this kind of dramatic gesture. Further, Theresa May is supposed to make a statement to the House of Commons in at 3:30 London Time, or about 10:30 CDT (less than 30 minutes from now).
Brexit Secretary Steve Barclay has stated today that Brexit supporting Tories will support a general election before they will support a softer Brexit: Brexit Secretary warns Brexiteer MPs will force general election rather than accept a Commons bid to soften Brexit BREXITEER MPs will force a general election rather than accept a Commons bid this week to soften Brexit, a Cabinet minister has warned. Mr Barclay said any indicative vote by MPs would be “a constitutional collision” and “of itself would not be binding”. He added: “The vote itself would potentially collide with fundamental commitments the government has given in their manifesto. And so one of the key issues there is you potentially have parliament instructing the government to do something which is directly counter to what it was elected to deliver.” The Government would not end up being able to make any choice whether to accept rebel MPs’ verdict, as furious Tory Brexiteers would step in. Mr Barclay added: “The risk of a General Election increases. I don’t think we will get to that point, because I think parliament would intervene in terms of some colleagues before that point.” This is Theresa May's Brexit Secretary saying this, so it appears that pretty much all deferential cabinet level decorum is pretty much flying out the window at this point.
I'm watching the UK parliament voting right now with popcorn. Better than most soap operas. Backstabbing , treasons, lies and deception. If someone lies to you again and again will you still believe them? This is what they are voting now. I can't wait to confirm if the Torries have the iq of a turnip or not. At least there is one who is smart enough, the business minister just gave May his resignation to vote for this amendment.
Conservatives like to say how we are going to end up like Venezuela when in reality we are heading towards becoming post Brexit UK
BOOM!!!! The government lost the amendment. Hooray for the human race! The Torries have an average IQ. And this was an amendment that everyone said that May would win. Wonder if there were more last second resignations or will be after this vote. Now May isn't only LINO (Leader in name only) but she also has lost one of her executive powers! lmao
The ministers are falling from the sinking ship left and right. LOL was that article written before May scapegoated the DUP for "forcing" her to ask the extension by not cooperating for opening the Norther Irish parliament? There isn't anyone more furious with May right now than the DUP, I mean their sole reason for existing, may be put at stake at this point with the reunification of Ireland with the way things are heading.
5.45pm update: Three amendments selected for debate Commons Speaker John Bercow has chosen three amendments for consideration as MPs begin the latest round of Brexit debates: Amendment A, the cross-party amendment put forward by Sir Oliver Letwin, Dominic Grieve and Hilary Benn and signed by 109 MPs from all parties, to allow Parliament to seize control of the agenda in the House of Commons on Wednesday to hold a series of indicative votes to establish whether there is a majority for any Brexit outcome. Amendment D, Labour's proposal which calls on the Government to provide parliamentary time to debate a range of Brexit options, including Labour's own plan, the Common Market 2.0 proposals, a customs union and a second referendum. Amendment F, tabled by Labour former foreign secretary Dame Margaret Beckett, to require Parliament to be given an opportunity in the week before a mooted no-deal Brexit to vote on whether the Government should go ahead and take the UK out of the EU or seek a further extension to negotiations. Amendment A passes 329-302. This will apparently give a cross party group in Parliament control of the House of Commons on Wednesday to vote on whatever indicative (nonbinding) votes that they want to in order to see if there is a majority for anything other than just saying no to everything. This is a slap in the face to Theresa May and a display of more than a little panic by the people who voted for this. This will be interesting to watch. I am not sure if it is true or not, but some people have said this would be unprecedented. There are two more votes on motions put forward by Labour. If either one of these passes, that will be a major shocker indeed.
Sure we will be destroyed. Eurosceptics? Who is? You mean Italy Hungary and Poland? Thanx to the glorious sacrifice of our British neighbours these people aren't Eurosceptics anymore. Wanting to stay and change the EU from the inside is a rightful exercise of democracy and the way the EU is supposed to work. It's not just a proposal. The civil servants have already start preparing for it because it is inevitable. Also the cabinet ministers will be in deep ****. They have been caught redhanded stating in government documents that "it is for the best of the Torry party to implement this policy.." instead of writing it is for the best of the nation and country.
