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The future of the EU and the UK, post-Brexit

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Dec 4, 2016.

  1. geeimsobored

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    Israel's system is proportional representation which in Israel isn't great because it has a hyper fragmented electorate. That creates awful electoral outcomes but its made worse by the country's unique demographics.

    I'm a fan of systems that create as few parties as possible so I dont like pure proportional representation or MMP systems. However, the UK and Canadian systems with regular first past the post is also not great. When you have multi party systems with FPTP, you get weird outcomes like a candidate winning a seat with 35-40% of the vote. Here in Canada, the Liberals formed a government despite only winning 32% of the popular vote because of the oddities of FPTP when there are more than two parties.

    The Australian instant runoff system solves this by transferring votes on an instant second round. So the winner of almost every seat crosses 50% and you generally end up with a consistent two party system. You get a parliamentary system that also properly behaves as a two party system.
     
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    After 6 years ...

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    Brexit was always about skin color.

    It's no hindus, pakis, blacks and arabs. Of course, when interviewed they will only say they are concerned about immigrants from poland.
     
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    Politico:

    Most Brits reckon Brexit has failed, new poll finds

    It’s not just Nigel Farage feeling the Bregret.

    Arch-Brexiteer Nigel Farage thinks Brexit has failed. Almost two-thirds of Brits seem to agree with him.

    According to a YouGov poll released Tuesday, 63 percent of Britons now consider Brexit to have been more of a failure than a success — the latest piece of research which points to anti-Brexit sentiment in the U.K. three years on from the country’s formal exit from the EU.

    Just 12 percent of those asked see Brexit as more of a success than a failure, while 18 percent said it was neither.​
     
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    Brexit was good for Europe, they finally got rid of the Brits. As for the Brits, elections have consequences.
     
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    I remember there was one poster in particular that was pushing Brexit (along with other magas)...

     
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    BREXIT was a masterful campaign of misinformation and alarmism.
     
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    Those proto-MAGA MUKGA folks will just blame the globalists, liberal elites and undesirables for it's failures and try to destroy even more of the system
     
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    That sounds familiar. The Mercer family brought the insanity to America after a trial run in the UK.
     
  12. No Worries

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    A cautionary tale of letting an electorate to participate in direct democracy ...

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    And this will the UK version of the political left having to straightened a mess that the political right has created.
     
  13. JuanValdez

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    There seems to be a lot of Not Sure answers implicit in those answers. The most opinionated response still only accounts for ~75% of all respondents.
     
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    The UK will be fine, but the reason why the UK was a world power until WWII was its extensive empire (e.g. India and Canada, mostly). But without its empire, UK is not going to be the global power it was. Brexit or not.
    Everyone caught up and surpassed the industrial head start the UK had in the 1800s.

    But again, UK will be OK.
     
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    Tories are paying the price for their dishonesty

    Brexit was sold, by the Tories, in particularBrexiteer Nigel Farage, to voters seven years ago on the basis it would be the answer to myriad problems. It would address Britain’s laggardly growth by putting rocket boosters under the economy. It would free up money to spend on an underfunded NHS. It would boost wages in low-paid jobs by reducing immigration levels. And it would reinvigorate our parliamentary democracy by returning sovereignty to Westminster.

    Seven years after the referendum,the evidence of its tragic consequences for the country are mounting


    Tory Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has so far failed to meet his pledge to grow the economy. Gross domestic product fell 0.3% in the fourth quarter, more than the 0.1% drop economists forecast, Office for National Statistics figures released Thursday show. That followed an unrevised 0.1% decline in the previous three months, meeting economists’ technical definition of a recession, or two consecutive quarters of contraction.


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