The future of America with the Tea Party in control

I think pork is more than what you say, but this is what I've been waiting to hear from tea partiers, who supposedly want to reign in spending: Defense, SS, Medicare. It amazes me these people won't take definitive stands on these issues. They prefer to shout slogans and insults instead of proposing specifics that would solve the spending problem.

 

It's pretty damn easy to say what you're against. The trick is saying what you're for. "Smaller government," "cutting spending" and "defending The Constitution" are not answers to that question; they're bumper stickers. The devil is in the details. And the tea party provides none of those.

Meanwhile, they want to simultaneously cut spending, taxes and the deficit -- all without touching defense spending, Medicare or Social Security. That's a pretty neat trick. And it fits on a sign. It just doesn't have any basis in reality.

 

It's not right-wing extremist. It's just stupid and violates the basic laws of math.

 

^ QFT

 

Show me a credible study with actual numbers regarding illegal aliens "claiming a refund" in any numbers worth mentioning. Thanks in advance.

 

this is too funny. tea party coup in maine!

 

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Originally Posted by saintcougar
Before I answer your question, tell me how you're going to debunk my argument that illegals don't pay taxes. I think I need to be more specific, as illegals are forced to pay state sales tax on their personal purchases. But they don't pay federal income taxes. I'd really like for you to debunk this, I'd like for you to explain to me how illegals pay their taxes?

Three pages and a week later, still waiting on what Obama specifically has "spent" money on that you disagree with.

 

this puppet, a marxist lefty whack job, mickey mouse, amateur, unpatriotic, muslim, and a disgrace of a president in Barack Hussein Obama that you've forgotten who is hurt by the waves of illegal immigration, the STATES!

 

This is the kind of quantified, specific discussion that tea party fruitcakes refuse to engage in. It's easier to inflame emotions using harsh rhetoric and slogans instead of debating actual facts. Why be intellectual when you don't have to be?

 

I've supported everything I've said with evidence, it is you who are calling me a fruitcake, telling me that I cant' debate using actual facts which I've clearly posted here. Ok, so let's see what the folks from the IRS have seen in recent years:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18077009/

 

Yeah, you haven't proven to me how illegal immigrants pay their fair share of federal income taxes?

 

2 minutes before you posted this, you posted a link that stated that more and more illegal immigrants are paying federal income taxes.

 

No, more and more are filing income taxes, which raises the amount of those that will pay but also raise the amount of those that will get refunds. I worked at a couple of tax shops, and we went after the illegal demographic with wreckless abandon, not only were we able to get our fees for filing their tax returns, which were very simple btw, we had the opportunity to sell our financial instrument in the form of refund anticipation loan. Many were filing especially with the ITIN's, and you knew these guys were illegal but, we had a business, was not mine, but I was trying to make a buck while in college, and most importantly, we were completely within our legal rights to do it.

 

LOL - so your argument has now morphed from "illegals don't pay taxes" to "illegals do pay taxes but they don't pay more taxes than they should pay, and some instead get refunds! They overpay!"?

It's said quite a bit, but you truly do fail at failing.

Congrats.

 

You obviously fail in your understanding of the tax system, these people don't make a lot of money and are entitled by our tax structure to receive any money they did pay in back. My argument has always been that illegals don't pay their fair share of federal income taxes, which if you can't make the connection, they are all low wage earners. I also argued that the states are the ones that bear the burden of supporting this demographic.

 

Really, so can you tell me how much their SS checks are per month? And can you tell me where they get tax and duty free purchases? I need to find some illegals to buy things for me!

 

saintcougar=Tio Tomas.

 

Do you know what the difference is between sales tax and federal income tax, I already said the illegals pay state sales tax and I also said they pay into SS and Medicare, however, I'll say it again, the social services that the states have to put up (CA, NM, AZ, TX) far outweigh those dollars that they won't claim, just look at CA.