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The FTX scam, Sam Bankman-Fried, the Clintons and the Democrats

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, Nov 13, 2022.

  1. Yung-T

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    Except for my multiple posts where I said this was a failure of regulators all around the world and explicitly mentioned the regulations&licenses in Europe and Asia?

    But this exact fraud has happened in tradfi several times already on a similar scale. So no, it's not a unique crypto issue.
     
  2. dmoneybangbang

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    Not really…. Just some folks bought too much into crypto because of the narrative.

    Crypto is a very risky asset and has behaved like it is the bottomline.
     
  3. Yung-T

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    You know that a lot of people didn't even hold crypto on there and it had other assets too, plus fiat?

    And again, regulators having given FTX licenses to operate in a vast number of countries, without doing proper due diligence and audits (how did this pass proper gaap audits?), and politics giving FTX a regulatory platform is a 100% fact.

    Saying this wasn't a regulatory failure is complete nonsense and I think you are commenting without even knowing all the details of this case.
     
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    Or because it’s a new asset class that is black box.

    We dont have some sort of global central bank or regulatory system. It’s still very much the Wild West and that was the appeal of a crypto.

    I said “inherent” not unique. My whole point is that crypto isn’t really that different from other risky assets…. Just different jargon.
     
  5. dmoneybangbang

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    The irony of blaming governments and regulators for crypto’s problems.
     
  6. Yung-T

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    Loaning out and leveraging over 60% of customer deposits has nothing to do with the asset class and was due to a lack of oversight.

    And yes we don't have a global system, but separate entities worldwide licensed FTX in their respective jurisdictions and gave it priority treatment over other exchanges, that's a fact.
     
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    Holy **** lol that guy. He should really be in jail the rest of his life and he hasn't realized it at all. How delusional is this dude...yeah, I'm gonna try and raise 8 billion in two weeks. What the actual **** lol.

    Since the guy was in a talking mood, the reporter could/should have asked a bit more in detail about the guy's attempts to influence regulators and his political connections.
     
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    You don't even bother to really think about what happened in this case and that it was financial fraud on a licensed exchange, thanks for the talk I guess.
     
  9. Invisible Fan

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    I get crypto has a deservedly bad rep, but making a play to capture a $1-3T (peak) industry shouldn't just garner a shrug and eyeroll for anyone seriously paying attention.

    I was mainly thinking about how Coinbase slithers in between SEC and CFTC in-fighting while racking up a bunch of hypocritical claims to the public.

    I think countries are afraid of Binance cuz China.
     
  10. dmoneybangbang

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    Like I said… crypto ain’t that special. Whether derivatives or FTX or subprime mortgages …. You can manipulate the system.
     
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    Because financial fraud never happens on license exchanges….
     
  12. Yung-T

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    Who said it doesn't?

    I'm talking about your "oh the irony" comments, as if everyone who has money on ftx or in crypto is an anarchist that wants zero regulatory oversight and a wild west without rules.

    People directly went to FTX because they were the only big licensed and kyc exchange that was allowed to offer derivatives and because the licenses+sec talks made it feel legitimate.
     
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    I had an employee this guy totally reminds me of.

    A pathological liar and fraudster. I wasn't the one who hired him. I can't go into all the detail, but the guy was one of these "Forbes 30 under 30" wankers. He kept making up the wildest lies. I fired him less than a year into things, and he went and afterwards did all kinds of criminal stuff, like using a buddy as a strawman pretending to be a bigshot investor, contacting some of my shareholders, promising them they could sell secondaries for them, telling people he would do a "hostile takeover" of my company, etc. etc.

    I was way too lenient with this guy, should have put him in jail. I tried to talk sense into him, but he would just keep lying. Made up stories about having bought 6 private jets (he was living on his cousin's couch), being the one who was doing WeWork's IPO (they managed to screw that up without him, of course), etc. etc. etc. - totally wild.

    Even after I told this guy (after I had already fired him), you have to stop or I will press charges...he said yes, sorry, then the next day, he did crazy stuff again. He claimed to have done the funding rounds of all kinds of companies, he went to our competitors and gave them our entire client list and all confidential material, etc. etc.

    Total psychopath. Just like this guy.

    These people are dangerous. They have no remorse. They might even kill people.
     
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    Some of these posters we are responding to basically don't even understand what's going on but just want to make snarky comments, thinking it makes them look smart or morally superior or something. It's usually always the same people. I have most of them on ignore at this point.
     
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    Not an anarchist but just naive or too wishful about how the world should work.

    And it turns out it was a house of cards… Certainly not the first time.

    Clearly the founder tried to Enron through it and it fell apart.
     
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    Likewise your title still doesn’t add up…. You even managed to bring Hunter Biden into this based off some tweets.

    At least you haven’t called someone “evil” or a “groomer” yet.

    For such a free speecher, you sure do block a lot of views you don’t like to see….
     
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    They're too busy writing stuff like this:
     
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    Yeah, the debate turns into pulling teeth when people knee jerk into a defensive posture the moment "Hillary" or even "Democrats" are mentioned. As if they have to tightly grasp the reins from the high horse they're sitting on.

    I get the casual dismissal that financial industry has been captured before. SBF's playbook isn't even new. It's what Goldman or Blackrock does and is a pillar of their success. Larry Fink would've probably run Treasury if Hillary won.

    Just replying that much adds zero to the debate and is more or less a shitpost and a desperate attempt to fill in the dead silence in their minds.
     
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    WTF, his lawyers should be fired for incompetence. Is he broke to the point of hiring the firm that took on the Alex Jones case?

    This **** links up to the accounts where they stopped doing "quant stuff" mid last year and went balls deep into magic money ponzi schemes along with other firms to chase higher yields. Did he claim his original bread and butter , the quant stuff, "made no actual sense"?

    Alameda was definitely his gambling arm while FTX was the legit casino. Sam thought he was Michael, but the poor b*stard was Hyman Roth.
     
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