The fight against authoritarianism won't be won in D.C.

I saw that. AOC can't alienate those who voted for her and can't say what you're saying. But their responses were stunningly vapid, uneducated. That "Trump cares for people like AOC".

 

This is exactly what I meant by wrong lessons.

The Democrat party will keep on making the same mistakes if this is the route they take. We place more burden on the voter than the politician to enact change. That's pathetic.

 

To your point that his subgroups aren't enough to win... 100%.

To my point that we shouldn't play the purity test on these subgroups, and should lump in a big tent of "pro-democracy" supporters.... I do believe that tent of voters does have enough voting power to win where these subgroups alone playing purity politics has no power to win anything.

To me being pro-democracy is an economic message, and that one is simple... name me one autocratic country in the world that has a better economy for the working and middle class??

 

I can't respect anyone who has these opinions when they have this much time discussing politics like a political junkie on a internent message board.

Voters being misinformed has almost everything to do with economic system that eats away 9 hours of your life a day where you still have to worry about rearing children on top of that. And you think people have time to have fleshed out political ideologies?

We judge people while having hours of time a day to express our political rants on a Houston rockets message board. We are privileged.

 

Rashida Talib isn't pro democracy?

 

I have been critical of Sanders in the past because I did not believe that he could be elected in the political climate when he was running.

Having said that - Sanders is one of the only Democrats or political leaders in the USA saying much of anything against the unconstitutional measures of the Trump II administration. AOC started to speak up and was shot down by out of touch Nancy Pelosi.

Hell - Mitch McConnell has said more than the Democrats.

 

and they are your average Bernie supporter…Bernie has a lot of support online where his supporters can easily just yap and run their mouth for likes on social media, but in the real world when it’s time for action, they don’t show up

same with a lot of these progressive politicians…a lot of bluster and occasional viral moments, but very little substance

 

If you were to stumble into a mutual aid group doing things like making sure children who are in outdoor camps in the dessert waiting for asylum are feed and have something warm over night to sleep in would it be more likely someone on the Bernie camp or Hilary camp of support running these mutual aid practices?

 

Than say Fck the DemocratIC party and run like a candidate like Trump was for the Republicans. Make the case to the pro-democratic/anti-Trump coalition, build a campaign, and run.

Nobody is married to this pagan god called "the Democrat".... everyone just wants to progress forward with candidates who will represent the values of people who care about Democracy and freedoms. The DNC is as weak of an organization as it ever has been, and aren't the monster in the closet you think they are.

What about you too... you can run for your school board, or your local mayors race, etc. You hate the Democratic party that much.... get involved, and change it from within. Look at the success AOC has had. In just a few years, she went from being a bartender, to damn near being one of the frontrunners to run for President.

Get involved. Change it from within... as long as you care about the big ticket items everyone else cares about under the big tent go for it.

 

Do you want them to do more 1000 dollar per plate dinner fundraising parties?

 

Okay. And who is more likely to get involved locally in these type of mutual aid type efforts? They exist now currently.

I mean leftists aren't doing dinner fundraisers. But mutual aid? Community organizing? That is literally the leftist wheelhouse.

 

Come on man... just read what I'm saying. It's pretty clear that I'm saying stop dividing among the subgroups, and think about unifying under the pro-democracy coalition.

Obviously unless I missed something Rashida Talib is pro-Democracy correct?? Than she's on my team as are the other subgroups I talked about earlier.

 

Then talk like it.

Don't do this half assed bs about blanking single issue voters because they might have lost some loved ones in Gaza.

What did you call voters in Dearborn?

 

What you are saying has been true for the last 75 years - but it is not something that is historically accurate. What has been missing has been large scale economic problems large enough to disrupt enough people to galvanize radical change. We had it after the Great Depression and FDR.... and make no mistake, if there are "elections", if the economy goes South bad enough, there will be a large-scale backlash against Billionaires and radical and powerful leaders from the left will emerge and cause large scale change...... and a lot of what Bush, Obama and especially Trump has done with Executive overreach is going to comeback to bite conservatives in the ass, but it will be used against them.

People like Musk know this on one level and are going to try to fend it off by sending Americans $5,000 checks. At some point it will not work - if inflation gets bad, and the economic forecast gets bad - short of martial law, there will be radical changes.

 

Democrats better not give these pro-Palestine idiots and saboteurs the time of day ever again

they’ll be out there doing things like burning the American flag, screaming “from the river to the sea” and releasing bugs and maggots in hotels and putting them in food, then want to be catered to



let’s see them go protest Trump now that hema in power…we know they won’t

 

The same attitude that helped get Trump elected.

Best to take Hillary, who isn't actively out to f*** you over, than President Elon Trump types, who are. At least Hillary Clinton when a Senator worked to help get / keep funds for 9/11 firefighters. And, of course, firefighters (dudes, dudes, dudes!) practically all voted for Trump. Who just voted out such funds?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tru...ect-911-responders-critics/story?id=118965873

 

Buddy if you think the words I type suggest that I prefer maga fascism over neo-liberal feckless leadership you are off your meds.

 

I don't disagree with that, and not sure where exactly you disagreed with what I was saying. The comment was mostly about Bernie's base of supporters, and what I hear them talk about mostly. Not that they don't care about other things, but just saying healthcare is what they talk about mostly.

But yeah broader looking at what's coming.... yeah the chickens are going to come home to roost at some point.

My case to people with different priorities to try and unify for 2024 was pretty simple - Name me one autocratic country out there that has a thriving economy for the middle class you'd trade for?.... and of course you get the response of gaslighting or being like "Americans only care about bread and butter issues, and football, etc."... but in reality I do believe that if we choose to consolidate power under a corrupt criminal like Trump, it will impact our lives eventually, and eventually yeah it'll tank our economy, and looking at the history of corruption under criminal dictators.... I think my track record is pretty accurate, and that leads us to the same place that you are talking about here IMO.

People are pretty pissed at the billionaire class, and we are about to see some pretty crazy things happen I'm sure. Maybe my objective of rebuilding that pro-democracy coalition to win elections in the near future is naive... and as I have said myself either way, we all know that Trump isn't going to just leave in 2028. Would love to be proven wrong there, but it looks at though we have launched over that precipice, and only need one more Supreme Court decision to put the nail in that coffin. Then all bets are off for what comes next.

 

u probably can’t, but this question seems to just be a repackaging of the “name me a single country whose economy recovered as well as the United States after Covid?” stuff that didn’t resonate with voters

a lot of the “democracy is under attack” talking points don’t seem to resonate either…people either don’t see it as being under attack, view it as fear mongering, are told the complete opposite, or don’t care because they think it won’t affect them like it will others