The far left example...Is this what you want?

The far right example: Alfred P. Murrah federal building.

 

It's ironic and amusing that ignorant folks, in an attempt to look smart, have taken the term "Fifth Column" as a generic, McCarthy-esque label in order to make themselves feel better about themselves.

Had they bothered to learn much about the Spanish Civil War, they would have known that the term, in its original context, referred not to leftists who were in government at the time, but instead to right wing fascist sympathizers who supported Franco & the "nationalist" military coup, reactionary carlists, falangeists and their Nazi buddies.

Any college educated person should be able to tell you whose intellectual counterparts the original supposed "Fifth Column" are; HINT: it ain't michael moore and cindy sheehan. It should also be noted that the right wing "Fifth Column" never materialized despite much boasting at the time.

Now carry on with the stupidity, you're welcome for the history lesson.

 

Not one thing you posted about them paints either of them as unpatriotic, and the fact that one is running to serve our nation only helps to paint him as more patriotic.

 

It is unworthy. What is there to discuss about that? If they had printed facts about what the discussions were, what came of it or something else, it might be worthy to discuss. Merely mentioning a meeting serves no purpose.

 

The part in bold is a bull$h!t insult on your part. Cut the crap. There is no unified group against America, and this group certainly has yet to be shown to be against it. They are in agreement with the majority of this nation's citizens in that they are against the President's policy regarding Iraq. That doesn't make them unpatriotic.

Nothing in daily KOS has been shown to be un-American nor has anything you mentioned about United for Peace show it to be un-American. So quit making baseless accusations.

As Sam Fisher has noted utilizing the 5th column rhetoric is ignorant on yours and others part. You have yet to show these people are against America.

As for Bush being patriotic vs. unpatriotic there is more than just his record of service to go on. But I haven't called Bush unpatriotic. I believe that Bush does love this country, I just feel that he is unintentionally very bad for the nation.

Bush has shown a lack of understanding about what this nation really stands for, but that doesn't mean he doesn't love it, or is unpatriotic.

 

If the article mentioned the meetings, and made other substantive points then maybe it would serve a purpose. However, this lame POS article mentions meetings, makes no points, but then jumps right into accusing the people of being unpatriotic, hoping America fails etc. That is the kind of crappy writing, attack without substance and divisive insulting BS that has no merrit and isn't worth discussing or debating.

If you have the same feelings, then I urge you to make the points, back them up with whatever evidence you will, and I will discuss them with you. But that drivel that was written as part of frontpage mag. is baseless, and shame on you for taking something insulting patriots as worth discussing.

I don't post crap accusing Bush of trying to destroy America, because I don't believe that is his intent. His policies may lead in that direction, but I don't accuse his intent. This "writer" does accuse the activists intent, yet he provides nothing to back it up.

I have no problem arguing the merits, but I do tire of people trying to claim they know the intent of political opponents and state their supposed idea of intent as if it were fact.

 

Nothing in their actions show they are against America. Their actions show they, like the majority of this country are against the President's policies in Iraq.

These people make speeches, and are verbose about their beliefs. They aren't shy about expressing their opinions. I have yet to see anything where they express that they are against the U.S.A.

You may feel what they believe is against the best interest of the U.S.A. but that doesn't mean that is their intent. Your accusations like those of the article without any evidence.

Even though we know that actions of this administration has hurt the U.S. in the world standing, seen an increase in terrorism, increased incidents of torture, and forced our nation(which should unequivocably take the high-ground) have to weasal ways of defending torture and has done actual damage to the country(unlike any of the people being attacked in your article) I would still never claim that their actions show an intent to harm our nation.

To pretend to know intent is ridiculous, especially when the intent you assign to others is insulting.

 

forgive me for not wasting my time reading every Repub blog or whereever it is you get these weird ass expressions from...so I have no clue who you got this one from.

but would you mind giving credit to who you stole that phrase from? Color me interested in what kind of idiot would screw up a historical reference like that.


btw...Blade....the forum (and your sanity) would probably be better served if you didnt fall for RAN's blatant attempt to TJ you. Notice noone else is answering him...hmm..oh and I dont count...just a smartass comment as per usual from me.

 

The good that comes out of it is a better understanding of the situation.

Those who meet with firsthand with participants in events might gain more understanding than those who quote screwed up references to 5th column, and try to assign intent to others who they have no clue about what their intent was in the first place.

 

You are right. I do have a strong desire to discuss things, but this crap really doesn't deserve it.

 

I agree with the communist party's stance in each of the actions you bolded. Viet Nam was a horrible idea on our part, as history has shown.(we lost, and the sun still came up and Viet Nam wasn't the starting domino in all of SE Asia.

The invasion of Grenada was pointless, and a waste.

Supporting the anti-communist govts. in central America amounted to supporting dictatorships(the very same type of govt. held by Saddam.)

I don't support communism in the U.S., but neither do I think being communist in itself is un-American nor do any of the stances you mentioned show it to be un-American.