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The draft is shaping up...

Discussion in 'NBA Draft' started by Outlier, Jun 19, 2006.

  1. ClutchCityReturns

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    Well, we have to consider that we don't know what other plans the Rockets have for the off-season. I certainly don't expect them to be cooking up anything really huge, but what if they are?

    What if they see Dallas and think "Hell, they don't have a prototypical PG and look what they're doing". Maybe they take Foye because he can flat out put the ball in the hole but still has the handle to be an effective (enough) distributor when the stars are in the game. Perhaps they would move Alston and one of the PF's for an impact player, then use the MLE for depth. Who knows?

    I can guarantee you one thing though. I will be pissed the fu(k off if Luther Head, Randy Foye, and Mike James are all on the roster next season. No more freaking tweeners, PLEASE! :mad:
     
  2. ClutchCityReturns

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    I've been wondering the same thing since I heard the news. They're almost a lock to take a SG now though, I would think.
     
  3. xiki

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    There appear to be some successful tweener teams, like Mavs/Suns even the Bulls. I'd take any of their tweener problems for my Rox right this very minute.

    A team of tweeners including TMac playing the 1, 2, 3, and 4 at various times could be a very dangerous gameplan - for the opposition.
     
  4. xiki

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    And/or trade plans altered? Tinsley - Davis real? Other moves?
     
  5. Nero

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    Hehehehe funny... I am no Chad Ford fan, but, in all fairness, he did say TWO of the top six would fall out of the top five.. ;)

     
  6. ClutchCityReturns

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    I believe you misunderstood what I meant by "tweener". By "tweener" I mean someone whose play style and/or size prevents them from being able to really fit the role of a particular position. For example, Luther Head has the size to play PG but not the ballhandling and court vision. He has the shooting and slashing ability to play SG, but lacks the size to be truly efficient. He really doesn't fit anywhere.

    Versatile players are a different story. Guys that can adapt to efficient play multiple positions aren't "tweeners".

    Or maybe you did understand what I meant. I don't know. What threw me off is when you said Dallas is a team of tweeners, yet I can't think of a single "tweener" on their roster. I guess Terry is the closest, but still doesn't fit the description in my opinion.

    That said, I just don't want THREE of them on the roster. One is fine, and two...well, I can put up with that if they're giving solid contributions.
     
  7. xiki

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    I think I understood you and I think Terry and Dirk are tweeners as are the O concepts allowing Harris and others serious court time. Tweeners done well force the competition to adapt. Diaw v Yao? Ow.

    Give me sets with TMac at the 1 or at the 4 with the pieces to permit this and I'd expect a more exciting and winning Rox team.
     
  8. Jacquescas

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    why a tweener when we can get a guy like brewer who at 6"7 232lbs would be a beast at the 2 spot.

    or Brandon roy who at 6"6 207 lbs is also got great size. thats what i say we do.
     
  9. ClutchCityReturns

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    Nah, I don't think you understood me lol.

    You're talking about versatile guys like Terry and Dirk who actually fit very well into a particular position (Terry at PG, Dirk at PF), yet they can comfortably slide over to play another position on top of that. Same with Diaw in that he has the skills and size to fit the role of a SF, yet he can play other positions too.

    A "tweener" in my mind is someone who doesn't have the size and particular skill set that allow him to fit squarely into one position. For example, Luther isn't just a PG that can slide to the SG and he's not a SG that can slide to the PG. He's neither. He's inbetween those two positions. Thus the term "tweener" (between positions).
     
  10. xiki

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    OK, we're tween a Rox and a hard or soft place.
     
  11. JuanValdez

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    Maybe you know something I don't know. But, it doesn't make sense to me. Giving it my best shot, I would say an Atlanta promise to Shelden Williams means one of three things:

    (1) They have a trade worked out to take Williams at a lower slot than 5 and they don't want him doing work-outs so that team between 5 and whatever will be afraid to take him (this doesn't make a lot of sense for Williams though because he wouldn't get the high draft slot and he'd have to play for Atlanta).

    (2) Atlanta intends to take him at #5 and they think he is so good that they are afraid teams 1-4 might actually want to take him if they saw him workout. Again, this doesn't work to Williams' advantage because he could be taken 1-4, and by a better team than Atlanta to boot. Unless, of course, he knows Atlanta is delusional thinking he is that good.

    (3) It's a smokescreen. Williams has an interest in saying he'll go #5 because it'll raise his stock in the eyes of others. Maybe someone in the late lottery will be happy to see he's still on the board. Atlanta has an interest in that it conceals what they really intend to do with the pick, so that other teams have a harder time outmaneuvering them.

    I'm sticking with the latter despite everyone telling me otherwise. I just don't see the other options making sense.
     
  12. ROXTXIA

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    I was wondering the same.

    Let's not forget that we were trying to trade for Steve Francis at the deadline this past season.

    If you could get the "same" player, except better (but w/o the seasoning, I suppose), would you try?

    Keeping in mind that we would trade Luther and whomever now or later to address our other needs.
     
  13. Rockets Dynasty

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    I say it again, the Rockets will be modeled after a team like Miami, not a team like Dallas.
     
  14. JuanValdez

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    I don't understand. Are you saying Foye will be better than Steve Francis?
     
  15. thetennisyao

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    can we trade up and get Barganani? :confused:
     
  16. ROXTXIA

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    Sorry, I'll explain:

    I don't think Foye will be better than Francis. But I don't think he'll be worse. Or much worse, anyway.

    You trade off here and there. One of them does this better, the other does that better.

    A lot of people who see this guy work out are pretty impressed. Some writers mention he and Roy are the two players in this draft most ready to contribute.

    I don't know what kind of pro he's gonna be, but as long as he's on a team with an SG or a SF with point skills, he'll be extremely valuable. And JVG has mentioned he wants players who can get to the rim.

    Not that we're gonna draft him, but still...

    And as for Shelden Williams? I think the Rockets want to draft him but have more pressing needs elsewher and could only get him if Atlanta would take Swift and Head and whatever for us to move up to #5.

    If there's any smokescreen about Williams, it's 'cause he has teams he wants to play for (in the South) and teams he doesn't (Minnie, Boston).
     
  17. Outlier

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    Foye is the #1 player on the Wolve's board? That could push another Top 6 player down our way, but I would bet the Wolves could trade down and still pick Foye up.
     
  19. Outlier

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    Wouldn't you be disappointed if Rudy Gay was still on board and we still move down to Orlando? That would extremely suck.
     
  20. xiki

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    Draft day trades occur as players get picked, or slip. They're contingent deals between teams, understanding what will be given/taken IF...
     

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