um hell no, we need carl landry. when he was healthy, dude made our offense lethal (see the 10 games without yao) b/c he provided that athleticism and ability to finish that none of our big men can do, including scola. tmac-landry pick and roll was killer before he got injured. he's improving his jumper and working on other things to improve his offensive game. keep him. he will be a very good player down the road. draft picks are unknown. landry is now a known commodity.
If the Rockets can swap Landry for either Yi or Noah (especially Yi), Morey would pull the trigger in a heart beat. poprocks I know you are a fan of the team, but your assessment is simply ridiculous. This is off topic, but Yi has all-star potential. The main question mark is his work ethic.
Yi is not all-star potential imo, I think he has the ability to be a "Cuttino Mobley" type player where he can score a good 18 per night and maybe explode on some nights. Noah is a Tyson Chandler basically
Uhh no. Yi sucked last year. Well maybe he didn't suck and for sure he has a lot of upside. Maybe that was because he played on a horrible Bucks team but he got more minutes and more games than Landry and did not produce as well. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/rookies/rankings
You guys are missing the boat here, we are not talking about Landry the player, but landry's contract situation as it pertains to the Rockets. There is a difference. DD
I don't see how it pertains to the rockets anymore than any other team, he's a free agent. He should be looked at that way, if something better comes along you go in a different direction. No need to get attached to certain players.
I do not see hayes as above average as a backup PF. He's a nice guy to have as he can play in the NBA. I'm not a doctore and haven't seen detailed reports on Landry's knee, but before getting hurt this season, he was well worth the full MLE. I do not see it as overpaying, but the cost of a PF. It is harder to get a player like Landry than it is to get a backup SG. If you can get someone great at SG, SF, or PG, fine go ahead and do it. I just don't see the Rockets doing better with a good portion to all of the MLE this season than to lock up Landry for a while.
I think it's not just us fans, but the Rockets organization as a whole that thinks highly of Carl Landry. I doubt the front office is having any doubts about re-signing Landry. I also doubt anybody in the front office thinks we're tying our hands by re-signing him.
What are the chances they not only settle for the MLE, but also settle for the Rockets' MLE? You got a good young player you can pretty much be certain to resign-- or you give that up based on (1) the speculation that someone worth more than MLE would settle for the MLE (assuming they don't resign with their old team or work out a s&t deal-- frankly, I don't see it happening) and (2) the speculation that such FA, if they exist, would choose the Houston Rockets out of the 30 teams in the league.
I think you guys are selling Landry short. He was a rookie last year...how much better did you expect him to look? The two things that stood out were his athletic ability and ability to finish (these dudes y'all are comparing him to like Rose, Turiaf can't finish like he can) and commitment to improving his game. Didn't he add an insane number to his vertical after we drafted him? Hasn't his jumper improved? Some of y'all may think athletic PF's that will put in work to get better grow on trees, but I don't. We have been looking for a PF since Barkley retired...
Agreed, but that is not what we are talking about here, you are talking about Landry as a player, I am talking about him as an asset that is possibly holding the team up from seeking other areas to improve. And I do not think a guy who is our 2nd string PF is as important as improving our PG or larger wing player off the bench, do you? Honestly if they could sign Landry for a reasonable amount like the LLE...you do it...but once you get into MLE territory, it starts to get shaky as far as I am concerned. DD
Lots of ifs in that post. I said if his contract situation is hindering the team, you may have to let him go. What I think is that the team needs to sign him to a decent contract.......but not wait too long until the good free agents are all lapped up. DD
The thought of losing Landry, the first semblance of front court depth we've had since Yao has been here, is disturbing, but to suggest him going for nothing? Stick to making bad mock draft choices, DD.
You never know. All of the other NBA teams realize he is raw and has a suspect knee. I don't think he gets big offers from anywhere. I bet we resign him for $2-$3MM per.
Great to see another draft evaluation that shows how well the Rocks did. Landry at #5 and Brooks at #20! Scola, of course, deserves his ranking, but we didn't draft the guy (stupid Spers!!!).
Wow, sometimes having a discussion in here is like trying to teach calculus to ants. Just amazing how some people can not seperate Landry the player and his contract situation and how it effects the entire franchise. I could care less if Landry leaves and the team gets better..... I would love for him to stay and be part of the "getting better process" but I also realize that sometimes contract situations lead to results that are unexpected. Forgive me for trying to discuss how that scenario might play leading up to draft night. And that you might be able to read what they think is going to happen by WHOM they draft. Let's just get back to whom we should draft and never mind the overall team's contract situation or circumstances. No need for real discussions pertaining to the overall roster, is there? SHEESH ! DD
I don't think I'm selling Landry short at all. If u look at Malik Rose with the Spurs championship runs, he was carl landry. Undersized high energy, atheletic guy. Turiaff is the same guy except he's bigger and is a better shot blocker. Milsap, a young healthy Kenny Thomas, Ike Diogu, and even David Lee. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, its just a thing. Like DD said its about not tying ur hands up waiting on the guy. Management should also look at his slow recovery from a knee. When he came back with his limited explosion and he struggled. So what happens when he gets nicked and can't explode as much? Like I said, 3 yrs @ lle or 2m per yr, take it or leave it. They can use the te on a guy like turiaf, mihm, or diogu. Milsap will get more than landry, plus I think landry and scola is overkill. Think with Yao playing against the post player, I think the other 4 needs to be a long,rangy, horry-marshall-tim thomas type of guy. Horry and Marshall are too old and thomas is in clipperland. Landry shouldn't hold up the teams offseason plans.
I actually halfway agree with DD. Halfway. I think the draft will give us an inkling of how the Rockets think negotiations with Landry will go. Landry is a particularly odd case just because it seems as though his agent is insane and inexperienced (on top of Landry slowing down significantly post injury, creating some additional doubt over fair value); I also thinks he feels a bit jilted over the lack of love he received going into last year -- purely a hunch. If the Rockets draft a 4 with their first overall pick -- particularly an undersized 4 -- I could see Landry being kind of ticked. At the same time, that's about the extent of the relation of the draft and Landry. You don't draft a 4 because you expect to get a particular player with the MLE (unlikely) or because you think you can move Landry in a sign and trade (also difficult to predict); you do it because you think Landry will settle for nothing less than full MLE & you're not willing to pay full MLE & you think some other team is crazy enough to pay full MLE. In other words, maybe you draft a guy you HOPE can replace Landry because you expect Landry to be significantly overvalued. But, at the end of the first round, you can not expect to grab a Landry-esque gem. Further -- on a needs basis, I would even argue Scola/Hayes is better depth at the 4 than what we have backing the 2/3. I don't think losing Landry changes the priority of needs for this team.
DD, the Rockets have been looking for a player like Landry for YEARS (Stro' show, anyone??) Athletic, jumps out of the gym, motor that never stops, etc. If the Rockets let him go b/c of a contract issue it is very likely the team will take one step forward and two steps backwards. We need a wing scorer, but not at the expense of weakening the 4 spot.
