The Difference Between Dumping David Andersen and Dumping Ramon Sessions

I seriously doubt that other GM's are wary of getting out smarted by Morey. They probably respect the work he's done but it's homeristic to think he'd have GM's runnning scared....

 

Morey is facilitator. instead of overtly trying to pray on other Gm's stupidity he trys to meet there needs.

Case in point the Rafer Alston deal. He helped save Orlando's season by giving them the starting point guard they needed. In the process of meeting the other teams need his own need for a backup up point guard where met.

Alot of Gms would have been bitter and not have worked a deal with Portland after they screwed us for Brandon Roy but Morey was smart enough to let that go and draft Batum for them and trade down in the draft and get more assets.

It does not matter how well known Morey becomes. As long as he keeps acting as a facilitator the good deals will keep on coming.

I honestly cant think of one bad contract Morey has dumped on any one accept Mike James.

 

Ramon Sessions is god.

 

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It would have been nice to get sessions and hollins for 6m and sign and trade lowry and never sign miller. Hey, thats just me though.

 

leebigez, for as much as your blind hatred for Shane Battier causes you some deficiency in the area, I had actually held you in high esteem regarding player evaluation. Until now.

Setting aside the fact that it was impossible, from a timing standpoint, for Morey to have possibly made those moves, those players are simply inferior to the guys the Rockets ended up with.

I like Sessions, but he's got his deficiencies. I think part of the reason that Milwaukee never committed to him (they started Ridnour over him the year after he "blew up" for the Bucks) was that he was a bit of a ballhog (many high-assist guys are, in fact, ballhogs. See Marbury, Stephon.) and that his defense was not exactly great. He's obviously nowhere near the defender that Lowry is, nor can he bring the same level of energy game in and game out.

As for Hollins, are you kidding me??? That guy is TERRIBLE. His defense is bad. He's always out of position. He's not strong enough to competently defend the post. His shot isn't that good. And he easily gets lost on both ends of the floor. The reason I actually likes the Sessions trade for Minnesota was that Kahn managed to dump Hollins's bad contract on Cleveland. Frankly, I'd much rather pay double for a 34-year-old Brad Miller (especially knowing that I probably won't have to pay much of his salary in 2011-12 due to the lockout).

Sessions/Hollins over Lowry/Miller/tax? Les stockpiled insurance money and NOT paying luxury tax in prior years so that he didn't have to take the former and instead could spend on the latter.

 

Even if they don't get under the tax by dumping Battier they'd still save $7.4 million by doing so.

If Yao stays healthy, with the Rockets headed to the playoffs, and Battier is still avg 20+ minutes. I would be surprised if they did salary dump.

 

Ah, the company man i see again,lol. Session in his chance at least displayed the ability to be a nba starting pg. Yes, maybe he fell out of favor with skiles, but thats not so uncommon. Fact is, lowry is a good player, but he is not a 5.5m player. His salary should be where sessions is. Its nice how u bring out high assist/ballhog and mention marbury,but every high assist guy does dominate the ball. Paul,williams,nash,kidd and others, thats their strong part. Lowry dominates the ball also and if he had to play off the ball, he isnt nearly as effective because he cant shoot.

Hollins vs miller is different and i believe we see them in a very different light. Hollins to me is that high energy,run the court,catch alleys,weakside shot blocker, type of guy who can also defend in space. To me he is the perfect backup to yao because he is very diffeent and has the young legs. To me, he is perfect to come in with the 2nd unit and change tempo and pace. This team has alot of offensive minded players already. Also, i dont know if u have league pass, but miller is an injury prone declining big guy making mle money. If youre implying that if yao is a shell, miller can save the squad,then thats on u.

To make it plain, i dont or didnt care if it was jeffries or shane. Your blind,company man love wont allow you to see a team minus shane. I dont know if they even made inquiries,we're speculating. Getting session and hollins for shane or jared would have kill 3 bird because they would have the backup big,pg,and under the tax. Havent we learned our lesson about these older has been players? I know its against your dna to criticize a morey move, thats cool anyway.

 

The Rockets were able to dump Andersen because they paid more than his whole salary to dump him. The Wolves were able to dump Sessions without paying his whole salary. To me that means Andersen had a bad contract, while Sessions had a reasonable contract.

 

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Bimathug said hollins and his 2.3m is a bad contract. I thought i heard it all,lmao. Just like last yr when i thoght frye made more sense than trading a 2nd rd pick,cash,and his salary. Again,thats just me.

 

They won't admit it but the best of the best have been scammed.

Presti(we got Landry for cash-lolerstakers)
Buford(Scola for VSpan-lulz)
Walsh(oh lawd we got hill, their picks and ****-lol)

 

Oh damn guise, we got Nostradomus in here?

Trading Battier for Sessions & Hollins does NOTHING for us. Sessions doesn't play ahead of Lowry or Brooks, Hollins doesn't play ahead of Brad or Jordan, and most of all...Battier's expiring contract(combined with Jared + other picks, Budinger, Taylor, Hill, etc.) is what gets us a player. Battier's contract is FAR more appealing than Sessions + Hollins in a trade.

You can predict this, or predict that, but you are no D-Money. Remember that.

 

I'll agree with you on these points (although Kyle doesn't really dominate the ball that much). Just wanted to start this off on a positive note.

Uh . . . no. This is a perfect example of why I'm glad you don't run the Rockets. We'll just have to agree to disag.... nah, you're just wrong.

Well, that "injury prone declining big guy" played all 82 games last season, while playing more mpg (23.8) than the Rockets will be asking him to play. And who the hell said anything about Miller "saving the squad"??? Certainly not me. He's a damn backup, dude. But he's a hell of a lot better than Hollins. I'd even take Jordan Hill (of whom I'm not a big fan) over Hollins. So, I'm going to have to call "shenanigans" on you for that one.

What "blind, company man love" are you talking about? An educated guess that the owner (who has gone on record as saying that certain players--Luis and Kyle--were among his favorites and that he'd match any offer to keep them no matter what) has a similar sentiment for the team's most outspoken leader? I never even said that I wouldn't trade Shane. Just that Les might not for that reason.

And Minnesota was not going to trade Sessions unless and until they signed Ridnour. At the time Cleveland signed Lowry to the offer sheet, there was still some talk of Ridnour getting an offer from the Knicks. With the offer sheet signed, the Rockets had only seven days to match. It was simply IMPOSSIBLE to play it out any other way. And you STILL would be getting the crappier duo of players. And what the hell do YOU care if Les pays the tax or not? Either he pays the tax (it's not your money) or he trades a guy like Jeffries or Battier to maybe get under (and then you're ecstatic).

Oh, and I have some criticisms of Morey. He paid too much for Miller (but, hey, it's not my money). And I once saw him wear a tie that wasn't particularly flattering on him.

 

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/holliry01.html


Ryan Hollins facts:

During his career, he's earned more than 1000 minutes a season exactly one time (last season).


He averaged 6.7 rebounds per 36 minutes (6.1 per 36 minutes last season).
(In comparison, Brad Miller had a horrible rebounding year largely because he played next to Noah, who gobbled up a ton of rebounds, managed 7.4 per 36 minutes last season and 9.2 per 36 for his careere).


He has turned over the ball on 19% of the possessions during his career (20.3% last year).

Given the foregoing, it is safe to conclude that Mr. Hollins is a scrub.

 

Bima, like i mentioned before, assets are basically faceless. To keep or obtain these new chess pieces it doesnt matter. Miller played in 82 games last year and thats cool,but he has recent injury history big time. I never said the 34 yr old,i know the system was a better player. I simply stated that miller is another slow,lumbering guy who cant defend in space or protect the rim. I never said hollins was hakeem part 2, but i've seen him defend yao pretty good when he was with the mavs. He has the young,fresh legs which i think would fit well with the 2nd unit. Not only that,he makes 2.3m which makes him very tradeable in another package if needed. He's versitile enough that you could actually play him with yao,Sessions and hollins for jeffries or battier saves the rockets 11m plus it would give them a te from the lowry sign and trade. It doesnt matter cause they didnt make the move anyway.

 

Dont they still teach reading comprehension in school? Before you post again, why dont you try it.

 

Andersen's contract is for $2.5M and the Rockets sent $1M cash. A vet min player would cost Toronto around $800k as those type of contracts are partly paid by the league.

 

Did they send $1m or $3m?

 

Here is hopping that Kahn and the wolves have a fire sale around the trade deadline and the offseason