That ranked right up there with one of B-Bob's best, Trader_J. I don't pay attention to my post count, but since you brought it up... at this rate I won't reach 5,000 for another year and a half. Must not be that busy for a replicant. I'm heartened that you've taken some interest in the local political scene. I do a little of that sort of thing in Austin. That, and some state politics. So with that out of the way... what's your take on Lugar and his break with the Bush Administration?? Pretty gutsy thing for him to do, in my opinion, considering he's setting himself up for possible retribution from the minority Religious Right Extremist-Fringe Leadership that has captured the Republican Party. (I put it in caps for emphasis... but I want you to note tht I left out All-Action out of respect. My respect went up immensely after seeing Mrs. JB's photo montage of you. Which club was that? It WAS a montage... wasn't it?!?) So, what do you think, T_J? Does this signal the first crumbling of the Republican Front? Soon to be followed by others of substance in the GOP? Or is Lugar just a demented old fart full of his own importance and eager to position himself for the Post-Bush era after Bush loses his re-election bid. (Nah!! I think it's door #1)
I worked with someone in Orlando Sanchez's last campaign who pretty much admitted he was worthless. That was funny as sh*t. Orlando Sanchez is the Zsa Zsa Gabor and George Hamilton of Houston politics.
Post of the month so far. High-larious. BTW, outlaw, your boss still hasn't called, that crazy bastid.
hahaha. I usually laugh at people who brag about community works they do, or how much money they give to charity. I'm never sure about their motives. But it's funny when they combine that bragging with attacks on how little others do, when they have no idea what kind of stuff we do away from these boards.
Let's take a minute and set the record straight on Orlando Sanchez. Sanchez is a man of great character. His parents fled Castro's Communist Cuba for the better life of the USA. Much unlike select pockets of Americans who demand that they be given everything in government handouts and quotas, the Sanchez family instilled in Orlando a work ethic that stressed *repaying* America for the opportunity given to their family. This message hit home. He served in the Air Force and then later served honorably in the Texas Air National Guard. He also served six years as a Houston city councilman, where he led the charge to pass the city's first property tax cut in decades. He chaired the city's International Trade Committee for five years, where he helped bring four consular offices to Houston and convinced the Australians to return after closing their offices in 1997. Orlando has worked hard to advance his business career. Not every business one starts blossoms into a Fortune 500 company, but the seed must be planted for the tree to grow. Orlando has the entrepreneurial spirit to invigorate City Hall. He is a man of action. Let's face it, demographics is the name of the game in local politics. Certain racial groups vote certain ways, and they are very predictable. Orlando has the chance to unite Houstonians like no other candidate. His campaign reaches out to people of every race. As a conservative Republican, he has crossed previously existing racial boundaries and had unprecendented success with the Spanish speaking constituency. Two years ago, Orlando won every majority-Latino precinct. As a Spanish-speaker, I value the commitment Orlando is making to reach out to all Houstonians. Orlando is the only conservative Republican with a true chance to win. Orlando will bring lasting change to the city, by helping to reduce the tax burden on working Houstonians, demanding that Houston receive its fair share of gasoline tax revenues from Washington, providing *leadership* on construction projects and leading us out of the morass that Lee Brown has put us in, providing *efficient and financially sound* alternatives to the destructive and irresponsible rail plans that Metro has been advancing, and providing the courage necessary to fix the debacle that is the Houston Police Department. Prominent Texans, such as Rick Perry, David Dewhurst, John Cornyn, Tom DeLay and John Culberson agree -- Orlando Sanchez is the right choice for Houston.
The record is straight on Orlando Sanchez. The Chronicle printed his record, rather than the mistruths on his website, in the article from 2001 that I quoted. Orlando Sanchez is so inept that the only thing he will succeed at as mayor is making Houstonians long for the "good old Lee Brown days". And that, more than anything, scares the sh*t out of me. The only reason your list of "prominent" Texans supports Sanchez is that if he is elected, they will have a marionette to play with. Orlando Sanchez would be an unmitigated disaster as mayor of Houston.
RocketManTex -- Your post was another textbook example of a ten-cent response to a million-dollar post. Where are your facts? What is your logic? You are basing your entire argument on an outdated Houston Comical story? I'd like to remind you that in 2001, Lee Brown had yet to turn Houston into the biggest construction disaster zone since the Big Dig in Boston. Lee Brown is a bumbling idiot who has been a failure at every step of his life. From his failures in New York, to his failures as the drug czar, to his failures in teaching a course at Rice (some of his students told me he was the dumbest person in a classroom full of freshmen), he has failed miserably in life. Orlando Sanchez has the ability to unite Houston. I presented a strong, compelling case with proven facts. RMTex -- you presented a conjecture-filled article that is nothing more than slander.
You obviously failed to read my previous post. It was filled with facts regarding Orlando Sanchez. I'd like to remind you that Lee Brown is not running in this election (thank G-d), yet your response to my post about Sanchez is to bash Lee Brown. Where is your logic? Where is your proof that Orlando Sanchez "has the ability to unite Houston"?? You have presented no facts unlike the facts that are in the article I quoted from. This is yet more proof of your typical knee-jerk response to someone challenging you, as illustrated in MacBeth's earlier post in this thread: 1. You call people names 2. You lose the argument 3. You complain about people insulting you 4. You shout unsupported opinion as fact 5. You lose the argument again 6. You conclude that you have won the argument Already in this thread, you have gone through steps 1-5. It's only a matter of time before you hit #6. Probably around 4PM this afternoon. The bottom line is this: Orlando Sanchez would be a disaster as mayor of the city of Houston. His record in business and as a City Councilman heartily illustrates the fact that he does not have the experience or leadership necessary to succeed as mayor. He will never get my vote. Any questions T_J, or do you want to call me a few more names and conclude that you have won the argument?
I present objective facts in my first post, you presented outdated 'facts' which were secondhand from a 2001 Houston Chronicle article. You tell me who has the facts. Re-read my first post on the topic, then apologize to me. Orlando Sanchez has a record of cutting property taxes in Houston. He had a very successful term as chair of the city's International Trade Committee, as I outlined above. These are facts. You continue to speak in generalities such as saying: The bottom line is this: Orlando Sanchez would be a disaster as mayor of the city of Houston. His record in business and as a City Councilman heartily illustrates the fact that he does not have the experience or leadership necessary to succeed as mayor. He will never get my vote. These are not facts. This quote of yours is supported by *nothing*. It is your own, uninformed political opinion that you are basing off of outdated history. If you had any facts to stand on, you would not be resorting to name calling and your little ridiculous outline that you posted. Where is the substance? You have none. Oh and by the way, RMTex -- Orlando has a commanding lead in the polls right now. Sit back and enjoy the next few months.
i dunno why anyone even bothers to argue with T_J 2001 article is outdated? he doesnt say that the article is not true, just that it should be considered irrelavent because it is *gasp* 2 years old
Aah. Ladies and Gentlemen, we have #6. And T_J, I applaud you. You didn't even wait for 4PM to roll around. I won't even bother with a response, since you obviously can't tell the difference between a fact and a claim. Regardless, you aren't even worth the keystrokes I've already used. GAME_OVER CASE_CLOSED
I'm still wondering what the more conservative, Republican members of the BBS think of Lugar's statement. I've about given up on the thread starter, Trader-Jorge, to give his take on it... but how about some of the rest of you? Mr. Clutch? MadMax? johnheath, etc.? I think it is especially intriguing and appropriate for this thread because of one part I've highlighted below- Top GOPer rips Dubya on Iraq war By JAMES GORDON MEEK DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU Monday, August 11th, 2003 WASHINGTON - The White House failed to grasp the complexity of rebuilding Iraq before going to war and ignored concerns that the U.S. was leaping before it looked, a top Republican lawmaker said yesterday. Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Richard Lugar (R-Ind.) faulted the administration for "a thorough misunderstanding" of the politics of Iraq. "The basic assumptions ... simply were inadequate to begin with," Lugar told NBC's "Meet the Press." "This is a war that still has to be won." Lugar wants President Bush to budget a five-year plan and to turn to the UN. "I think we need to seek a resolution or more resolutions from the United Nations to give more legitimacy, more reason why other nations will come to the floor - specifically India, perhaps Germany," Lugar said. .................... Lugar implies that the war is lacking in legitimacy and reason. I find this an incredible admission by the Republican Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. I can't recall seeing a prominent member of the Republican Leadership make a statement remotely close to this in terms of slamming the Administration on the way it's handled the war with Iraq. (I haven't given up yet. And thanks to mc mark for the original post )
RocketmanTex, on the basis of your lack of facts and support for your lies, and on the overwhelming data that I have put forth in support for my position, I hereby accept your unconditional surrender in this debate. Thanks for playing, rookie
Don't hold your breath...I have been trying to get the pro-war crowd to answer 7 Simple Questions for almost a week now, and maybe 3 or 4 have, a few others have posted but not answered, but for the most part they've been quackers. Mr. C. came in, and I know Max would, I guess he's not around, but T_J, heath, tree, etc...Stayed far away, despite my answering their posts, like my taking the time to answer T_J's article point by point. Class.
You should be a member of the Bush Administration. Your capacity for lying is limitless. Thanks for playing, loser.
At least the silence is succint. Responses from ideologues are typically a waste of time to read. Even our pals like Max resort to rhetoric like "if this is true, then I'm deeply troubled, if this is true... (later)Bush once voiced a concern for abortion, so I'll always vote for him".
I'm sorry to return to the Sanchez, thing. Orlando is a riot. From what I hear he basically worked as a probation officer for a few years, then had a string of rather unsuccessful businesses, as stated. A I recall the most successful was a small shop to make photocopies. He had at least one employee. This at least allowed him to run around talking about how "he met a payroll" and was a rugged risk taking capitalist individual. The City Council job was the only real job he has had in years. Interestingly I remember reading that after Orlando lost his last election, Bush invited him to go to Wahington DC for some Republican candidate prep schooling, as he is the type of Clarence Thomas type they like to back in order to split potentially Democratic voting blocks, in this case Hispanics. Maybe that is when he set up the dummy corps. I'm really surprised they didn't make him a partner in a downtown bank or possibly make him a "scholar" in residence at the Baker School of Pulbic Affairs, at Rice, Jorge's alma mater, something a bit more impressive to advance his political career. I guess Jorge likes him because his resume is a lot like his hero's George W. before he became governor
