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The David Carr Season Predication Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Cannonball, Sep 6, 2006.

  1. mogrod

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    Unfortunately, he'll start a little slow as he is trying to acclimate himself with ANOTHER new system and actually having some more talent and blocking around him. But, I think he will really pick it up in the down the stretch.

    3300+ yds passing / 18 TDs - 10 INTs

    I think he ends up with very similar stats as Plummer did last year.
     
  2. stevel

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    between 3000 and 3500 yds passing
    between 300-500 yds rushing
    more tds than ints
    completion % slightly better then 60%
    QB rating around 85

    I expect Carr to improve as the season progresses and his bad habits will begin to fade away. I expect him to play much better in the second half of the season - he will become more comfortable in the system, bad habits will begin to drop off, and the schedule will lighten somewhat. First half of the schedule includes some of the better defenses in the league so he may struggle early on, but it won't last.
     
  3. DonnyMost

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    I normally dont do this. But this thread is going in my bookmarks.

    Can't wait to see how this season unfolds.
     
  4. msn

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    Prediction: first half will be brutal. I'm not sharp enough on QB numbers and trends to predict numbers (sorry).

    The level of brutality of the first half, coupled with whether or not he's injured, will determine his status in the 2nd half. I believe he'll survive it and begin to improve in the 2nd half. At that point the Texans will have in DCarr either a QB who's on his way to being a solid (but not HoF) QB they can build around, or a good QB with potential and a decent trade value.
     
  5. rrj_gamz

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    Carr sucks...

    Throws for 2500 Yards, 21 TD's, 15 Int. and 40 Sacks...We still win 7 due to our outstanding running game...He gets benched near week 9...

    You heard it here first...
     
  6. Mr. Clutch

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    Dang 2500 yards and 21 TD's in 8 games? So he will be on pace to pass for 5,000 yards and 42 td but get benched. Sage better be tearing it up in practice.
     
  7. Mr. Clutch

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    3,800 yards, 20 tds, 13 ints, 61% completion
     
  8. mogrod

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    LOL!!! Too funny! I guess he sleeps with Kubiaks's wife and so ends his starting job.
     
  9. YaozaMac

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    I know you did not just compare Capers/casserly to Kubiak/Reeves :D
     
  10. blackistan

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    i hope and i know he will suck so the texans will regret giving him that bonus
     
  11. TMac#1

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    I'm not just a Carr hater for no reason. I was a huge backer and until last yr. The second half of 05 he just fell apart. The first half of 05 he was having a pro bowl caliber season, he was breaking thru as a great QB.

    1st half 2005 season
    comp att % yds td int sacks
    160 250 64 2162 9 5 20

    he was on pace to throw for 4,324 yds 18 tds and 10 ints only 40 sacks a 64 % comp percentage. Those are fantastic numbers. :eek:


    2nd half 2005 season
    comp att % yds td int sacks
    125 216 58 1369 7 9 29

    Those are pathetic numbers, especially coming off a brilliant 1st half. :(


    What in the hell happened to him?
     
  12. Nick

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    This has been documented over and over again, but here is the explanation again...

    The coaching staff, seeing that they still had an inept offensive line going into their THIRD year of existence, decided to implement a new offense based on quick outs, dump-off screens, and having the run almost always set up the pass. The team adapted the new game-plan, and worked it to perfection as the season started... they were still piss-poor at pass protection, but since opposing teams had to respect the quick out b/t Carr and AJ, as well as the pass-catching abilities of DD, Carr didn't feel the heat as much.

    Then, as always, teams make adjustments after the scouting report goes out... once that happened, it was over. Carr's "easy" reads were no longer that easy, the offensive line was still piss poor, and instead of the coaching staff blaming themselves for not coming up with adjustments... they blamed Carr, saying the line was "good enough" for football.

    One disasterous 2-14 season later (while they were still touting the "o-line is still good enough" company line), they have one new FA starting center, two high round draft pick offensive tackles (one of them now a starter), and a brand new coaching staff who's speciality is offensive lines and QB development.

    Once again, Carr is not completely blameless... but if he had been able to overcome all of this (and then some) and still put up Pro-Bowl numbers, the guy would already be on the fast-track to the HOF.

    As has been said many times... in the NFL, more than any other sport, no one player can make the difference.
     
  13. A_3PO

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    I couldn't disagree with you more. How do you define "make the difference"? Nobody is saying another QB would have led us to the playoffs last year. But decent QB play could have won us anywhere between 2-5 more games last year. David Carr was sorry; no excuses. He was a BIG part of the problem.

    My prediction is Carr will not be the starter after 3-4 games. Unlike some of you, I think this preseason is indicative of what to expect from Carr. He just hasn't adapted and I don't think he has the mentality to be a good starting QB in the NFL. Kubiak will be very patient and give him every possible chance to succeed. But eventually pressure from fans, and his own judgement, will force him to make the switch to Rosenfelds.

    I think we made a good choice with Kubiak but his very first decision, giving Carr the signing bonus and keeping him, was the wrong one.
     
  14. TMac#1

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    This is exactly what will happen. If anything Carr should have done well in the preseason and then maybe play poorly in the reg. season. But if he has played poorly in the preseason, he certainly isn't going to get better in the regular season, if anything he should do worse.

    We should have let Carr walk, signed a guy like Sage Rosenfels to be the starter while Kubiak developed Vince Young or Matt Leinart. Everybody b****ed; we don't want to start over completely with a new QB. they'll learn.
     
  15. Nick

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    Do you think the offensive line over the last three years was capable of being a competent one? Name one offensive lineman we had that could possibly be a for-sure starter for another team?

    I never said Carr was blameless... but you guys are putting ALL the blame on him, and that is pretty damn short-sighted and naieve, and exactly the same mistake that got this franchise off to the horrible start it did.

    You HAVE to build up front before you go after the skills position (unless you've already got average talent up front that can be taught/coached to a better unit)... this team has NEVER made the commitment to that, until this year.

    Also, Dan Reeves made as much the call on giving Carr the bonus as Kubiak ever did. They all saw that he can be a competitive QB in the NFL... and they all saw how pathetic this O-line was as well (thus, the revamping/reshuffling of the players, draft picks, and free agent signings).
     
  16. TMac#1

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    The offensive line was not great, but Carr made them look wayyyyy worse. He had adequate time to throw in many instances but he panicked and didn't look down the field, didn't get rid of the ball and ran out of bounds for losses several times. He has the worst pocket presence and poise I have ever seen, and he is very mobile to boot. Sad.
     
  17. itzIce

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    The main reason to why he has a good completion percentage is b/c he waits until the last second to dump off to the last option which is usually a short dump pass to a RB...it seemed liked he was doing that again this preseason.
    But under Kubiak maybe things might just get better or not....but i did like the increased playaction and bootleg plays. The o'line looks much better.




    itzIce
     
  18. Nick

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    And just how exactly are you supposed to have pocket presence, WHEN THERE IS NEVER A DAMN POCKET.

    Also, "not great" means horrible... name one NFL team with a worse offensive line (and if there is, name that stud QB that's still making amazing pro-bowl type plays behind it.)

    Was Carr all jumpity at Fresno St.? Hell, was Carr that jumpity during the first half of 2005, when for the only time in his NFL career he felt he had somewhat of an edge on an opposing defense?

    You guys b**** and moan about every mistake the guy makes... while ignoring the real problem. All QB's are going to make mistakes... some of them more costly than the ones Carr hasn't even had a chance to make yet. Look at how Culpepper completely lost grip of a game that Miami seemingly had in control.... things can turn around that fast in the NFL.
     
  19. TMac#1

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    I think Reeves told McNair he didn't think Carr was any good, and that's why he was let go so suddenly, adn Kubiak probably never would have been hired if he told McNair that Carr wasn't any good.
     
  20. Nick

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    Are you seriously just making stuff up now?

    Reeves was hired as a CONSULTANT. Nothing more, nothing less. He was on the radio before the game tonight and talked AT DEPTH about his role in helping shape this team's roster, and helping them choose a new coach.

    He's still happily retired in Atlanta... if he wanted a job, he could have had one of the TEN coaching/GM jobs available this off-season.

    This is ridiculous if you're basing your arguments on your own unsubstantiated conjectures.
     

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