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  1. Sajan

    Sajan Member

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    another lack of comprehension response. lol.

    your inability to read and comprehend things is truly fascinating.

    this is not akin to a software update for your phone you get on a monthly basis.
    this was done after a NHTSA investigation after people DIED......not because of BUGS.

    please do tell me how your FSD experience is going.
    in your non-Tesla.
     
  2. Amiga

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    Level 2 is much more restrictive by regulation for good reasons. Level 2 systems in the US require car manufacturers to implement driver monitoring systems to ensure that the driver remains engaged while the automation is active. Level 1 doesn't have this requirement (driver of Level 1 car do not disengage on purpose).

    The stricter requirements for Level 2, compared to Level 1, primarily stem from the increased complexity and capability of the automation involved. In Level 2, the vehicle can handle multiple functions simultaneously, such as acceleration, braking, and steering, making it crucial to ensure the driver remains engaged (to override mishaps of the car automation). The potential for misuse or misunderstanding of the system is higher (and I suspect it is quite widespread), necessitating the additional safeguards.

    Level 1 systems typically involve individual automated functions, like adaptive cruise control or lane-keeping assistance, where the driver's role is more straightforward. While these systems enhance specific aspects of driving, they don't take full control of the vehicle, and the driver can more easily resume control when needed. IOW, Level 1 car is much less likely to pose a threat to you or others, whereas in Level 2, it can.
     
  3. CXbby

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    Impossible to get people here to talk about anything related to elon/tesla with any kind of objectivity, politics turns people’s brains to mush. Pointless to argue with anyone stupid enough to think an over the air update that happens in your garage to add some more driver monitoring (because DRIVERS were the ones misusing the system by not paying attention more) is any kind of actual “recall”. Meanwhile other carmakers actually recall millions of cars a year for mechanic issues and no one bats an eye. Leave the idiots blissful in their ignorance, that’s why they stay peasants the rest of their lives, can’t see the world for what it is.
     
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  4. Dr of Dunk

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    For anyone who actually wants to learn something : whether it be an ICE vehicle or electric vehicle, a "recall" has nothing to do with how severe a mistake is in a vehicle or how severe the results necessarily could be if the recall isn't done. There have been recalls for cars catching fire and there have been recalls for car certification labels/stickers on cars showing the wrong gross weight. There are TSBs for manufacturers that are potentially far more severe than recalls. By that same token, just because something "can be fixed" by a software update, doesn't necessarily mean it's any less serious than something that can't and requires a physical visit.
     
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  5. Sajan

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    A recall is issued when a manufacturer or NHTSA determines that a vehicle, equipment, car seat, or tire creates an unreasonable safety risk or fails to meet minimum safety standards. Most decisions to conduct a recall and remedy a safety defect are made voluntarily by manufacturers prior to any involvement by NHTSA.

    In this instance, regardless of how it's fixed...it's labeled a recall because of potential for a crash. people are too fixated on it by corrected by an OTA update. that doesn't matter to me. If tomm we found out Tesla cars were purposely running into kids because of a software issue, IT'S STILL A FREAKING RECALL.

    https://www.cars.com/research/tesla/recalls/

    Recall consequence
    In certain circumstances when Autosteer is engaged, and the driver does not maintain responsibility for vehicle operation and is unprepared to intervene as necessary or fails to recognize when Autosteer is canceled or not engaged, there may be an increased risk of a crash.

    people bat an eye when it has serious consequences, not necessarily based on # of cars affected.

    the 3 that come to mind...
    VW dieselgate
    Toyota's acceleration issue
    Takata airbags...
     
  6. Space Ghost

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  7. Sajan

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    It’s cool to learn new things right?
    see you can do it!
    One thing at a time.

    slowly I will teach you bud.
     
  8. Space Ghost

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    A real recall that no one will care about.
     
  10. Sajan

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    One doesn't negate the other.

    People should care about this one and any others that affect their cars.
    https://www.kbb.com/toyota/recall/

    Stop with the victim mentality man. Whay Whay.
     
  11. CXbby

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    Your phone didn’t get a recall when you got an update over night. Stop with the ignorance mentality. Derp derp
     
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  12. Space Ghost

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    What you are failing to understand is that if you're a mfg and get hit with a recall, software is much better than hardware. And Tesla is an OTA push... cost them almost nothing.

    Meanwhile back at the speshial camp, Sajan is mocking Tesla for resolving a recall in the most efficient manner ever. Speaks volumes TBH
     
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    Inexcusable:

    A REUTERS INVESTIGATION
    Tesla blamed drivers for failures of parts it long knew were defective

    Wheels falling off cars at speed. Suspensions collapsing on brand-new vehicles. Axles breaking under acceleration. Tens of thousands of customers told Tesla about a host of part failures on low-mileage cars. The automaker sought to blame drivers for vehicle ‘abuse,’ but Tesla documents show it had tracked the chronic ‘flaws’ and ‘failures’ for years.

    By HYUNJOO JIN, KEVIN KROLICKI, MARIE MANNES and STEVE STECKLOW
    Filed Dec. 20, 2023, 11 a.m. GMT

    Shreyansh Jain was ecstatic in March when he picked up his first electric vehicle, a brand-new 2023 Tesla Model Y. He used a sizable chunk of family savings to buy it with cash.

    “We were over the moon!” said Jain, an electronics engineer in Cambridge, England.

    His exuberance came to a “grinding halt” one day later, with 115 miles on the odometer, Jain told Reuters. As he drove with his wife and three-year-old daughter, he suddenly lost steering control as he made a slow turn into their neighborhood. The vehicle’s front-right suspension had collapsed, and parts of the car loudly scraped the road as it came to a stop.

    “They were absolutely petrified,” Jain said of his wife and daughter. “If we were on a 70-mile-per-hour highway, and this would have happened, that would have been catastrophic.”

    The complex repair required nearly 40 hours of labor to rebuild the suspension and replace the steering column, among other fixes, according to a detailed repair estimate. The cost: more than $14,000. Tesla refused to cover the repairs, blaming the accident on “prior” suspension damage.

    Jain is one of tens of thousands of Tesla owners who have experienced premature failures of suspension or steering parts, according to a Reuters review of thousands of Tesla documents. The chronic failures, many in relatively new vehicles, date back at least seven years and stretch across Tesla’s model lineup and across the globe, from China to the United States to Europe, according to the records and interviews with more than 20 customers and nine former Tesla managers or service technicians.

    Individual suspension or steering issues with Teslas have been discussed online and in news accounts for years. But the documents, which have not been previously reported, offer the most comprehensive view to date into the scope of the problems and how Tesla handled what its engineers have internally called part “flaws” and “failures.” The records and interviews reveal for the first time that the automaker has long known far more about the frequency and extent of the defects than it has disclosed to consumers and safety regulators.

    The documents, dated between 2016 and 2022, include repair reports from Tesla service centers globally; analyses and data reviews by engineers on parts with high failure rates; and memos sent to technicians globally, instructing them to tell consumers that broken parts on their cars were not faulty.

    Read A LOT more...
     
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  14. Sajan

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    Right because an iPhone is putting other iPhone users at risk for fatal accidents.

    What a dumbass take.
     
  15. Sajan

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    What are you failing is understand is I don't care how a recall is fixed.

    All we are saying is it's a recall.

    Y'all seem to have a problem with the word recall because it has a negative connation. Well get over it. It's by definition a recall.
     
  16. Xerobull

    Xerobull You son of a b!tch! I'm in!

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    Get your ass to Mars

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  17. Sajan

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    Dang dude, why so mad? Did your SO cheat on you with a Tesla driver or something?
     
  19. RKREBORN

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    I find that the ones who talk most crap about Teslas are the ones who cannot afford them.
     
  20. Space Ghost

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    Or lost a lot of money at the TSLA casino

     

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