Yikes… I guess when you don’t have a rational reason, resort to some sort of emotion appeal. “Ime doesn’t care about winning”. That anti Ime camp is in their feelings.
Fred can play along side all of them, he already plays off ball a good bit. If they were better I’m sure Fred could be put into a smaller role / have minutes reduced, or even be moved on from.. but great defense, deep range on a 3PT shot, and low turnover passing is going to be hard to replace On nights where those guys are going off, Fred does not get in the way, and I think that answers the question.
It's that he cares about playing "his guys" more than he cares about winning... it's obvious. It's the only way his moves make any sense unless you are suggesting he's just a complete moron. I tend to think it's stubborn pride rather than absolute stupidity.
Yep. Look for the hot hand and ride that. Rox players outside of the chosen 8 have played only 13 minutes in 4 games. Only Holiday has anything other than garbage time, and that’s just 3 minutes. Warriors subs in spots 9-15 have gotten nearly 100 minutes of PT.
Just a really oddly worded poll. I like better players, and better players tend to play well together. Amen/Green/Sengun running an effective offense doesn't hurt FVV's value much. FVV probably would perform better with better players or players playing better on offense (i.e., he would be able to do what he's good at more like catch and shoot threes and put more energy towards defense). While I think FVV does a lot to stabilize the offense, he's not a one-man show.
If you want to make the argument that Kerr is a better coach… well yes. He’s one of the best coaches in NBA history. He also has elite playmakers in Curry and Draymond that are orchestrating a lineup that include a bunch of random players. Hard to cost us a series we were never favored to win. If we had just missed 4 less FTs we’d be tied 2-2. There’s a reason why nba analysts aren’t jumping on Ime while emotional fans are.
“Ime doesn’t care about winning” is the most idiotic take, but that's unsurprising considering its source. Try "Ime stubbornly persists in thinking that an 8-man rotation gives you the best shot of winning in the post-season." Or maybe even, "Ime is so uncomfortable with his ability to make the correct substitutions that he restricts his rotation to limit his chances of f%$king things up -- which conversely results in him often f%$king things up."
How many coaches in the NBA could Ime legitimately "out-coach"? I'm not talking about screaming at players at halftime, I'm not talking about throwing players under the bus after the game, I'm not talking about vibes. I'm talking about actual coaching. Is it 5?
Why the dichotomy? Why can't both be true to some extent? The team is young and without a superstar. I didn't have high expectations for the playoffs. But watching FVV playing at that low level on offense and watching some of Udoka's decisions and lack of imaginative adjustments is still quite maddening.
Because it’s a basketball forum…. They are both true to some extent but they aren’t both equally true. I still think FVV and Ime are the whipping boys for an overachieving team. I’m not really sure what fans are watching to suggest anyone else on this roster can do the bare minimum on running any sort of offense other than FVV.
That’s fair… Coming up with a poll within the maximum characters to try and capture the zeitgeist of the forum was a bit tricky. Seems to me there are two general camps that revolve around blaming Ime/FVV vs taking a broader look at the state of the roster.
Shouldn't be a divide, I like Fred the person but he is on borrowed time. Anyone with eyes and a brain knows that. I think it is not as much the Offense as players are just not good at shooting.
1) It's just pathetic to bring Harden back so soon after the break up. No one outside Rockets fans thought it was a good idea. 2) Ime didn't want an aging, heliocentric star for this portion of the rebuild. It's not how he wants his team to be run and clearly he wanted a team where defense and effort is the defining factor in playing time. 3) FVV contract works out great and now we have a contract to trade this off season. Butts kicked? Seems like a more emotional take after the Rockets have played well and kept it close for most of the series. I can't help it if you had unrealistic expectations two seasons after being a bottom 3 team for 3 seasons.
I don't blame Ime for leaning on FVV to run the offense. Jalen, Amen & Sengun can't do it routinely - they can on a random possession but not every time down the court. The other more pressing issue is that Ime doesn't have an option outside of FVV, he's the only true point guard on the roster. Holiday is an undersized shooting guard and Shepard is ??? What choice does Ime have but to trot FVV out there and hope he has a good game - however unlikely. My hope is that the offseason brings a new starting point guard that has some gravity on the perimeter and can finish at the rim. Maybe Shepard backs that guy up .... maybe they bring in a second player.
Actually we don’t know if those guys could do it consistently. They have never been given enough runway to try it. Amen should’ve been the one taking the last shot. He was absolutely destroying in the second half. An Amen PnR with Sengun would have been ideal. Draymond can’t cover both.
