I'd rather package Scola for a center and leave Patterson to develop behind Chuck at the 4. Chuck deserves 30 mpg and Patterson is ready for 30 mpg next season. If we could trade Scola and other parts for a center like Bogut, a true defensive, shot-blocking center, our paint defense would be outstanding and you've still got Chuck able to run the high post for us. Then you re-sign Yao to a reasonable contract and go to war.
Some little statistical sidenotes on Chuck: 29 games this season he played over 30 minutes: In those 29 games.... our record is 20-9 He scored 296 points on 232 shots, grabbed 290 boards, dished 103 assists, gave away 41 turnovers Those average 10.2 ppg 10 rpg 3.55 apg 1.43 tpg 2.5 A/TO ratio (better than most point guards) Add in all the forced turnovers defensively, like when he cleaned Garnett's clock over and over with all those ball strips and then add in all his offensive charges drawn which create so many extra possessions for his team, none of those things show on the stat sheet but yet they are winning plays. It took Adelman until January to figure it out. That's not Hayes' fault. He needs to get paid in dollars and in minutes. He's truly a unique player. The Heat, Celtics, Bulls, Lakers, Spurs, and many other teams would love to have him on their championship contending team. He's a very, very, very good rotation big on a championship contender. We can't let him get away.
Why would I not be serious. Please tell me you don't know so little about basketball that you think guys like Dampier and Jermaine Oneal and Nenad Kristic are better starting 5s thatln Hayes.
Hayes' career path reminds me of Malik Rose, underdog fan favorite that got paid and then traded because the contract started outweighing his play.
I would say the reverse is true. In this board, he receives more credit than he deserves. He has been in the league sucking for so many years,and it was time for him to learn and don't miss blank point layups. The problem is that people compares his progress to the Hayes that sucked night after night for years. I like the guy as a hard worker and all of that, but I am realistic and don't want this team to be mediocre forever. I said a couple of years ago that this team will be mediocre while we continue having Hayes and Battier as starters. We solved half the problem, now we need to move forward. I remember the same thing about Battier. People on this board thought the team depended on his defense and intangibles. Then he was moved out, and the team got better!
Actually he improved when moved to play center. Did not you watch all the years he played PF and sucked big time?
At the very worst Chuck is................... 1. The 21st to 22nd best starting center in the NBA Here's the list of starting centers who are or possibly could be considered better than him: Brook Lopez Noah Varejao Bogut Horford Haslem Dwight howard Tyson Chandler Marc Gasol Okafor Duncan Nene Camby Perkins Jefferson Deandre Jordan Bynum/Gasol (only one can start) Gortat Cousins McGee (some of you may want to include him, not me) 2. the 17th - 18th best starting power forward in the NBA Here's the list of starting power forwards that are or may be better than him Garnett Amare Brand Boozer Josh Smith Bosh Nowitzki Zach Randolph David West Kevin Love Aldridge Ibaka Favors/Millsap (only one can start) David Lee (I'll let you have him) Blake Griffin Gasol/Odom (only one can start) 3. the 3rd to 5th best big man coming off the bench in the NBA Brendan Haywood (perhaps) whoever doesn't start of the three bigs in Utah whoever doesn't start of Bynum/Odom in LA VERY FRANKLY: He gives a lot of guys on these three lists H-E-L-L and renders a lot of them ineffective when he is defending them. What this means: He is a solid rotation big for a great team. Any championship contending team would most likely make room for him on their roster and give up another player to add him as a rotation big.
Not true for Hayes. It's been proven over and over again the last 3 seasons. Every time he goes to the bench and doesn't play, we have struggled. Every time he gets major minutes we got a ton better. Look it up and watch the games and ignore 6'5". This doesn't mean we don't need a 7-foot shotblocker. We do need to add that. But we don't need to give up Hayes. He's too valuable.
No. He improved when he was given minutes. He played great alongside Yao. And if Yao were healthy today, Hayes would be even better than he was then because of his tremendous ability to play the high post effectively. Can you imagine him up there threading the needle to Yao? His assists will go to 5 or more per game if we get a legit 5 that can finish in the paint. Hayes cannot be defined by height or by position. He's a big man. He plays the power forward and center positions. He defends big men and he is matched up against big men offensively because he's too big and powerful to be defended by SFs or SGs. He would totally eat up a SG/SF offensively. So, they've got to put a big on him. Doesn't matter who the big is. He's a big man.
Well, right now he would start for: Boston Miami New York Philly Indy and........... Denver. And he'd be in the big man rotation of most all the rest. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
You must have been watching something different. When he played alongside Yao, teams doubled teamed Yao because Hayes could not make wide open layouts. On top of that, whatever Yao disrupted and resulted in bad shots for the opposite team, rivals PF rebounded and got extra possessions because Hayes can't get rebounds. Plain an simple, Hayes is a situational player and no way this team will get better having him starting at center or power forward!!
When he played alongside Yao, our defense was awesome and picked up all the slack from Van Gundy's crappy one-dimensional offense. He was very effective with Yao and he would be even more effective with a healthy Yao today because of Adelman's system. Also, he's a better rebounder this year than: Al Horford Josh Smith David Lee Pau Gasol Lamar Odom Shaq Scola Brand Blatche Patterson Millsap Bosh Aldridge David West Marc Gasol Gerald Wallace Amare Robin Lopez and is just as good a rebounder as Deandre jordan and is withing 90% as good a rebounder as Kevin Garnett Gortat Bogut Duncan Okafor http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011_advanced_stats.html Go fly a kite, man.
No one should get paid for what they're worth.. except for Joe Johnson I agree though, give the man his money (anything reasonable to make him happy).
I wouldn't. The Rockets could re-sign Chuck to a REASONABLE deal this offseason and still likely have a nice amount of cap room. All they need to do is NOT pick up the fourth-year option on Jordan Hill ($3.63M) and just slot Chuck's 2012-13 salary in that general range. If the 2009 lottery picks all do not get their fourth-year options picked up (something that is becoming increasingly likely given their poor performance), and assuming that Brad Miller (and his mostly non-guaranteed contract) is waived, the Rockets will only owe about $31.5M to Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, Kyle Lowry, Patrick Patterson and Chase Budinger (not counting 2011 or 2012 draft picks, Chuck, Yao or Courtney Lee). If Patterson develops as hoped, maybe the team trades Scola to open up more room. Who knows? Regardless, if you can keep Chuck on a reasonable new contract, I think you HAVE to do it. There are ways to dump salary to make up the difference, especially when you are dumping young talent.
Agree. I just don't think Chuck's gonna cost that much. And he's certainly more valuable than Chuck Hayes should go to his grave in a Rockets uniform.
I find it laughable that some people still think Chuck has no skills. but that's all I'm going to say, because anything else coming out of my mouth will be labeled as bias.
Agree but Favors, Jordan, and McGee aren't in the same lightyear as Hayes. Yes they probably will be but by then Hayes will still be in his prime and better than most of those old guys.
i love what chuck brings to the table... but we have to remember that he has played so many minutes out of necessity! this team has had no other option. HE IS SO UNDERSIZED! it almost negates all the good things he does when he can't guard the rim. dont get me wrong... yes he is good at positioning himself on defense, great on the ball defender. good team defender. good rebounder for his size. yes he has improved his FT% (very impressive this year). yes he is a practice and locker room leader. i love chuck! BUT he should NOT be the starter at either PF or C. chuck is a hustle, energy guy who is crafty and can catch other teams off guard when they fall asleep. thats IT. he needs to be our ben wallace hustle guy off the bench. and get paid accordingly. KEEP CHUCK! but dont do it at the expense of missing out on another promising young player. if this rebuilding thing is gonna work, we'll need all the talent we can get.
