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The Chinese government is disgusting... again

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Nook, Oct 9, 2020.

  1. Nook

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    https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/asia/black-gold-hair-products-forced-labor-xinjiang/

    The CCP is disgusting, now selling body products from their concentration camps like the Nazi’s did 75 years earlier. The products are openly being sold on the internet and through third party vendors to the USA and Europe.

    We need political leadership that will limit relations with China or hold the CCP accountable. People in the USA need to know what they are buying and under what conditions it was made or harvested. US political leadership on this issue has been terrible.

    The issues in China are only getting worse as the CCP has only become more authoritarian and to be frank, human rights are not a consideration.
     
  2. fchowd0311

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    Not gonna happen when we have such a large corporate influence on our legislators. Disney is more powerful than Congress. Capitalism leads the way. Maximizing profits leads the way. Until as a society we change our perspective of "growth for growth sakes" as a good thing China will always have the leverage to get away with this. Always. Nothing else can stop this besides a drastic paradigm shift in American culture.
     
  3. heypartner

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    Dealing with questionable product sources is something the US market and the US consumer have dealt with before. You can achieve a cancel market objective much like what happened to the sweatshops of Asia -- ask Martha Stewart or Blood Diamonds. Up and down the supply chain, companies cancel each other if any link in the chain can't prove they didn't buy from a "black market" source.

    Here's the current bill (from @Nook's article)

    Putting the burden of responsibility onto manufacturers and importers to prove the absence of forced labor in their supply chains is the goal of a new US bill -- the ‘Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act’ -- which passed with rare bipartisan support in the House of Representatives on September 22, by a margin of 406-3. Wang Wenbin, a Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson, said “China is strongly indignant and opposed” to the bill which “maliciously smears the human rights situation in Xinjiang.”

    What we've done in the past against a target market is make our supply chain prove where they got their stuff. Not just China in general, but the actual location and factory. It is common business practice now, e.g., Walmart requires vendors to do it some markets ... like shoes and apparel.

    This does require tracking, if China suppliers try to "launder" their goods through a complicit, safe harbor importer.

    But a cancel market movement in a supply chain can start now.
     
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  4. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    Slave and kid labors. I initially thought you meant actual body parts.
     
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    Xerobull You son of a b!tch! I'm in!

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    This is ****ing terrible and these people have very little hope in the middle of a powerful repressive regime.

    Also, don't forget about our own for-profit prisons and prison labor. Combine these already existing industries with our slide into fascism and you get China: US edition.
     
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    They're despicable...if there's one thing we can thank this administration for it's the focus on how cancerous the CCP is.
     
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    Gonna be hard to make happen, people like cheap stuff and most of the economy is built on cheap products and labor from china and other nations.
     
  8. sirbaihu

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    Selling body parts is gross; buying body parts is also gross.
    Hey USA: quit buying people's hair.
     
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  9. Nook

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    Hair....
     
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    To equate the two is absurd, most Americans and Europeans do not know they are buying human hair from forced slave camps... I will agree with you that the US government needs to crack down it like @heypartner points out.
     
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    Cancer patients sell their hair before they start chemo treatment. What's wrong with that? And there is quite a market, in general, for anyone to sell their hair. (People sell their blood plasma, too, btw.)

    It's like saying stop buying diamonds, because there is a Blood Diamond market. We can track and target disruputalbe sources.
     
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    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    People donate their hair for good cause (eg. for cancer patient). Buying people's hair is perfectly fine.
     
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    I guess you can make an argument that's part of the body and thus it's body part. I don't really consider that as body part and while it's still completely wrong, it is not anywhere near as harmful.
     
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    China's human rights record is atrocious. So many people complain about China's communist party, but I feel what gets lost is how atrocious their policies are towards minorities or dissident groups.
     
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    Agreed... but decent people don’t want to buy slave labor products either.
     
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    Agreed, human rights isn’t even a consideration for the Chinese government.
     
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    Yet we still do.

    A lot of people ignore it.
     
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    not proposing, but imagine a "made without slave / child / forced label" ... some company can start a trend
     
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    We don't have that negative label, but we do have the reverse -- positive version -- of that label ... and certifications, etc.

    This is a very mature movement in the US Supply Chain, already. The cancel market movement for manufacturing, food and apparel started quite awhile ago, and is highly effective, since big retailers like Walmart force suppliers to prove origin....which makes our manufacturers further force their suppliers to prove, and so on.

    The Social Responsibility scorecard approach also has Global Standards organizers. This is also the same approach to pushing Green Products over "dirty" products. The US Market is actually ahead of the US Govt in creating change (using a market approach, proving methods and literally bottom-lining the ROI benefits)...as it should be, imso.

    This is my field, btw. I'm not a Sustainability Expert, but I worked for a company that is, creating the software that helps score Green manufacturing (Energy/Waste/Water Efficient Manufacturing, etc), and Social Responsibility metrics, like bad labor practices. I worked directly with Walmart (in their globally reknowed Sustainability offices), as well as scores of Fortune 100s. Kimberley Clark and Walmart were probably my two most influential clients regarding tracking their suppliers and forcing change to the market.

    Walmart has had a tremendous affect all the way down to the way we mine materials.
     
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    The Buyers and Sellers are disgusting.

    Here we prosecute the seller and the addict
    So we need to come down hard on these buyers. . .worse than we do some kid with a spliff!!!

    Rocket River
     
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