How is someone acting "arrogant", which is a personal attribute that has a clear definition, the same as someone acting "white", which is basically a stereotype that has no actual definition. People assigning colors to behavior is just stupid and lazy. And people being so caught up with trying to be different from each other, for whatever reason, is really lame.
Cultural Identity is not a math problem A+B = C If you looking for the magic formula . . .it ain't happening Rocket River
This is the most absurd debate I ever heard from blacks. Duke is RICH MANS SCHOOL. Duke DOES NOT SEE ANY COLOR BUT GREEN. Whats different from Duke going after high character players in recruiting, and a NFL Team going after High Character Players in the NFL Draft? It makes no sense to me why Duke is even in the conversation. And it's mind boggling that they are even getting their panties in a knot when all the black players rather go to a school right down the road from Duke any way.... NORTH CAROLINA. This stupid, nonsense of a debate is just that... Stupid, and nonsense.
No one is tying color to behavior. People are tying culture to behavior. There is a difference. Culture just typically follows color.
I think Rose's beef (assuming here) is that he felt Duke automatically assumed he wasn't a high character kid because he was from the inner city. Hence his beef that Duke doesn't recruit in certain places. Similar to the HBO UNLV documentary where Greg Anthony was labeled a thug at UNLV even though he was the President of the Young Republicans. And I can't believe we all forgot that Duke did recruit Daniel Ewing straight out of Willowridge, in Mo City.
Um, so white and black aren't colors? Calling it "white culture" or "black culture" is just a different name for the same rose. Playing semantics doesn't change what's going on.
Is the debate not about black people acting white? I am referring to cultural things when I mention this. Are you arguing that black culture and white culture are the same? If so, I 100% disagree.* And there can be a wide disparity of cultural differences among groups. For example, black American culture is not the same as say, African culture. Black southern culture has differences from black northern culture. So no, it's not just all about color.*
That's not what i'm arguing at all. "Black people acting white" just proved my point. This is about thinking that skin color has anything to do with how you act. How do you "act white"? Do white people exclusively own some kind of behaviors, qualities, or traits? That's silly. If you want to call it "culture", that is just a different name for the same old lazy stereotypes.
"Black people acting white" is the phrase used (as a diss) when blacks tend to identify with white culture more than they do with black culture, or hang with white people more than with black people. Yes, I 100% think there are cultural differences between different groups of people. When folks refer to "acting like something else", this is what they are typically referring to (cultural things). Again, if you are arguing that there aren't cultural differences than I disagree in full and then some. It's no different than a bunch of Jack and Jill kids dissing another kid by saying they are "acting ghetto", or a bunch of ghetto kids dissing another kid by saying they are "acting uppity".*
Fair enough if that is your perception of him but this thread kind of reminds me about the joke about Wayne Brady, "Does Shane Battier have to choke a b**** to prove he is black?" As far as Obama is concerned I think it is clear he is trying to be more black culturally. As others have pointed out his upbringing is far less culturally black in terms of what we think of in the US and his schooling is even more elite / white than Shane Battier.
So what is white culture? What is black culture? I'd love to hear your definition. "acting trashy" vs. "acting uppity" isn't an argument of race, that's the whole point. If you're equating "trashy/ghetto" = black and "uppity/snobby" = white, then you're just being lazy and thoughtless.
I'm actually not doing any of that. And I'm not going to sit here and try to convince you of something that I feel is quite obvious and doesn't require an explanation or examples, which is that there are cultural differences amongst different groups of people. *I'm actually quite shocked that any adult would challenge that assertion. Why do you think businesses push for diversity, if everyone is the same culturally?
Seriously, it is not like he is making these things up. These are generally understood insults thrown out to people of one race by others usually within their own rave (but often others). It is easy. Here, a white person would be labeled "trying to act black" if he: Spoke in black slang/ebonics. "What up" "You trippin' " Why you mad" kind of obvious stuff. Dressed nothing but hip hop. Baggy pants, certain brands (cross colors, b****! haha), do-rag, bling, whatever. Listened to nothing but hip hop, R&B, soul. Dated black, huung out with black. etc. A black person "trying to be white": Speaks like Battier - limited slang, full enunciation and mostly academic grammar, etc. Dresses preppy or hipster (tight jeans as opposed to baggy kind of hipster) Dated white, hung out with white. Listens to Radiohead haha. etc. These things have gone on for generations (for right or wrong, not making a judgment). For you to act like it hasn't implies that you either are just trying to be an ass to the black people in this thread or or just so white that you really have never been exposed to such things. Word to yo mutha.
OK people 1st of all Rose was stating a view he had in the early 90's when he was at Michigan. 2nd His beef with Duke is they Duke never go after kids in the lower tax bracket from the inner cities. 3rd He said that he respected Duke.
Nice. So black culture and white culture for you boil down to a bad comedy routine from the 90s. Or, in web terms, this.
ICEHOUSE, great and thoughtful answer to my post and I appreciated the insight as well. I want to know your thoughts on this sort of mentality quoted above
Dude, he is giving you examples, not all of which I agree with but still. Again, if you are trying to argue that different groups of people don't have cultural differences then I don't think you will find too many people that will agree with you (that "seems" like what you are trying to argue). This is why black people flock in droves to move to Atlanta and DC, but not say....Phoenix, San Antonio or Indianapolis. But since you seem to be stuck on something that is quite obvious IMHO, here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American_culture
My thoughts are that some white people, just like some people from any race, are more accepting of others that they view as less threatening for whatever reason.
Don't be intentionally dense. I am giving you example of how people think. Notice nowhere did I say it was anything I thought. It is what I have experienced over the years. I threw in late 80's/90's references to be funny and because it represents a lot of our school days. You can feel whatever you want about the merits of people saying others "act black" or "act white" but to act like it doesn't exist (or that there isn't such a thing as culture or language differences that go back centuries) is silly. Further, to attempt to ridicule others for knowing that those things exist is stupid.
