The case for moving Cuttino Mobley East

Dunno, but for me, that just goes to show that western conference shooting guards are better defensively.

How would the breakdown look for Finley? I haven't checked, but my wild guess would be that he also did better against the East.

I also do not see how, by moving Mobley, we could get a better shooting guard, which would have to be our prime concern. The only one I could think of would be Ray Allen, and that would not mean moving Mobley to the East. Then again, why would we care whether Mobley moves East or West - if he moves. The only thing we would need to worry about would be what we get back.

Mobley/Taylor/Cato, a future first-round pick for Ray Allen/Rashard Lewis, I'd be all over it, thank you very much .

 

But it's been like that for Cat's career. That's pretty strange.

 

The Sixers might be a good place to shop him. Try to get Eric Snow in return, since he was available at the trading deadline this year. Sixers might want an etxra draft pick in return though and probbaly some young talent, maybe they'll take a flyer on Boki. With Snow here, we could move Franchise to the 2 spot that he belongs in. I predict things will blow up for the ROx big time once Stevie don't got to think like a PG, and only concentrate on scoring and being a general wrecking machine on the court.

 

Please say no to Snow, he has a career 3 point % of under 0.200... how is that going to open it up for Yao? His field goal % is pretty pathetic too. I would not even do a Mobley for Snow straight up, just my 2 cents.

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How old is Snow?. I mean Mobely is alot younger and has a better contract. i'm not even gonna mention his hell of alot more Talented . sometimes People want change just for the sake of a change.

 

I think this must have something to do with the fact that Cat is left handed... Where do you find these stat? Maybe we need to examine other left-handed players, like Jalen Rose or... some other left hand players, and see what they do against east vs west. I can't think of another southpaw with regular minutes when I need them....

My second consideration is the fact that Pacific Ocean is bigger than the Atlantic Ocean, maybe that pulls the strings somewhere. However, that should affect every player, not just Cat.

 

DON'T MOVE CUTTINO!!!!!


THE BIG BROADCAST OF 2006 IS COMING - THE ROCKETS 3RD NBA CHAMPIONSHIP, COURTESY OF DYNASTY, FRANCHISE AND CAT.

 

IIRC Cat has an opt out after NEXT season. Do the Rox deal him this summer? How does this affect his trade value?

Raptors, Sixers, Pacers, C's, Magic all appear reasonable partners in a Cat trade.

I could see him for Harrington -- have I said that before?

BTW - why against the East, Cat? Because Cat is an East kind of guy. Really!

 

Moving Cat for Eric Snow would be a logical move. It isn't about 3 point shooting, its about getting a real PG for this team. To say Eric Snow isn't as good a player as Cat is simply an incorrect statement. He offers a PG brain in a SG body, he would be the perfect complement to SF. I could say someone like Hinrich or Wade, but cmon they aint gonna be available. Fact is, Snow is more highly thought of around the league than Mobley is, because Snow has shown he can play within a system, while Mobley sometimes freelances a bit. Without Snow, Iverson wouldn't have the success he has had in the NBA. Is he older than Cat? yes, (and only by 3 years) but is he at the point where his physical skills have deteriorated that much? Absolutely not, he's still a good player, who will be able to control the tempo of the offense and settle things down. I would rather have a player with a 20% 3pt shooting percentageas long as he can raise the overall FG% opf the team by 5-10%. I'd rather have that than a player who shoots 35-40% from 3pt range, but whose wildness is responsible for the team's offense going nuts and bringing the FG% of the team down by 5-10% either through his own crazy shots or the position he puts his teammates in because of his wildness. 3pt shooting isnt everything for a G, look at his TO and Assts, thats what I'm more concerned about. Besides, Cat shoots 43% FG which is equivalent to what Snow shoots.

 

If by "logical" you mean "terrible" you'd be correct.

Snow is not half the player Cat is, and never will be. Have to throw in an extra draft pick and player? for Eric freaking Snow? yeah, sure, if he had magical powers and laid golden eggs....

I don't understand, what is the case for moving him east? The Rockets do play 30 or so games a year vs. the East....why do we not need his help to win those again?

 

VERY good points. But if you were an eastern conference team, would you want Mobley on your arse 2 extra times per season? I'd rather leave him in the west in only face him twice.

Who here remembers the undefeated record we had against the Atlantic Division two years ago?

 

it was the central

 

Yeah, that was awesome, 110th.

Even with his flow, he still gave the impression that he was just filling his role on the team.

 

This isn't about talent for talent, its about game management. Put it this way, who do you think has better talent at QB? Steve McNair or Jake Delhomme? Trent Dilfer or Kerry Collins? Peyton Manning or Tom Brady? Donovan McNabb or Brad Johnson? Winning isn't always about talent. We want a PG who is good at managing the game, like a QB. I dont care if he can shoot lights out, as long as he can control the tempo of the game to the Rockets style of play, I'll take that over any wild shooting, freelancing, multi-talented shot happy guy you can name.

 

and before the sarcastic we should start Mark Jackson replies pop up, a PG also needs to D up on his man, which Snow is pretty good at. so there

 

When the game slows to a grind in the playoffs, the Rockets, who are built for that kind of game, will be a team no one wants to face in the first round. And when ugly ball takes over, 39% will probably be a decent shooting percentage. Hopefully, his % does not drop in the playoffs. It is hard to tell how a player will step up in the playoffs (remember Austin Croshere?), so you have to throw out the stats to some degree.

If we did move him East, I would prefer it be for a sweet-shooting SF (3), and we move JJ to the 2.

 

thank you clutch, mobley is not doing anything that jimmy jackson cannot do, actually i think mobley is taking away from jj, steve and yao. i would move him and cato , and maybe nachbar to the east . that would benefit steve, yao, and jj.

 

As a matter of introduction, I have one of those love-hate relations with Mobley. He clearly has talent, plays with heart and takes increadibly stupid shots, some of which he makes and others which lead to two immediate points for the opponents.

That being said, I don't see any reason to try to trade Mobley. First off he has played much "smarter" ball under JVG. Who knew he would be the one to take to the lessons so well. Even after 5 years, he still has potential.

Secondly, he does have basic skills that we need. I am not quite sure exactly how good his defense is, but I think we would all agree it is at least competent. He is a good three point shooter, which seems a must for a team with a double commanding center. And he is quick enough to be an option to lead plays and break down defences. And he seems to get along with the players and coaching staff. So unlike a Pippen or a high contract player, there is no reason to try to trade him, or a trade for a trade's sake.

But that being said, if we are going to try to improve through a trade, we will need to get a quality player. In order to get quality we will have to give up quality. Mobley is highly tradeable. Good overalll talent - so he can fit just about any team, low contract, scores well - which is always popular with the fans. Cato seems like our other trade bait. Big men are always in demand, and his salary is not all that high (I know- but this is tne NBA-remember) and certainly not that long any more. Maurice Taylor may have some value, everybody will look at a player who can put the ball in the hoop, but only if we are taking back a bad contract.

Now I think we have a pretty good team. I took to heart Sean Elliot's comment about you change when you stop improving. We are still improving and I see the sky as the limit. So I would not make a major trade. Rather I try to improve through free agent signings (Jackson, Pike, Griffin) or role player trades (Mooch/Spoon). And yes, I do like what our management hs done this year.

But I go back to "If you want to improve via trade" (assuming no Steve or Yao - IE keep the core together), who else do you have to offer.

By the way I do the Mobley/Cato for Butler/Grant (with or without the pick) in a heartbeat. And I think Miami does too. I like that trade Outlaw. I think it is as close to realistic as one will see on this board.

 

39% certainly does suck. It's too bad that our "franchise" player shoots about that well against BOTH conferences. At least Mobley, for whatever reason, manages to step it up against the East. Maybe we should be moving the guy who can't shot worth a crap no matter who we are playing. I do agree that we shouldn't have the same starting backcourt next year.