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The case for keeping Kubiak

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Bandwagoner, Nov 21, 2010.

  1. DonnyMost

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    The ONLY reason he'll be back would be because 1) a potential replacement isn't readily available and/or 2) the labor situation gets worse.

    If both of those conditions get rectified, Kubiak is GONE.
     
  2. Fatty FatBastard

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    Just hire Mike Leach and be done with it, I say!
     
  3. Rocket River

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    You don't think the extension makes it harder?
    Unless the Texans Bottom out . . .[4-12 or maybe 6-10]
    I don't think he is gone .. . as much as I would hope otherwise

    Rocket River
     
  4. Fatty FatBastard

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    I see far too many waves right now. Heads will roll.

    The one silver lining? This is now the 3rd year the Texans have lost 4 in a row. The Texans answered the last two year's losses by winning 4 in a row.
     
  5. Fyreball

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    I really don't understand how there are people still clamoring for Kubiak to keep his job. The fact of the matter is, if you're firing the GM, the defensive coordinator, and everyone else around him, you're literally cutting off all his limbs. At that point, a complete house cleaning is the ONLY thing that makes sense.

    THIS IS THE 3RD YEAR IN A ROW WE'VE HAD A 4 GAME LOSING STREAK!!! We need to change the culture of this team, and the only way that happens is by bringing in a no-nonsense coach who doesn't take this losing mentality in stride. I'm sorry, but the fact that Kubiak has kept Bush around for 10 weeks of this abysmal garbage tells me everything I need to know about how high he holds accountability. I'm baffled as to how ANYBODY can justify keeping this guy around. You're just asking for another year of full-on mediocrity.
     
  6. DonnyMost

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    He has one year left. The buyout can't be that much.

    5 years, one winning record (the texans will not finish this year .500 or above), no playoffs.

    There is no point in keeping him around an extra year, because nothing short of an 11 win season and/or a conference championship in 2011 could justify retaining him based on how many years of suck we had to put up with to get to that... and banking on a miracle turnaround next year happening is dumb (especially if the market/timing is right for hiring a new HC), even for McNair standards.
     
  7. Rocket River

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    Well they should have an easier schedule next year
    No suspensions and come in with no injuries
    More experiences corners *grin*

    I *AM NOT* lobbying for him to stay
    but . . McNair seems stubborn . .. look how long
    it took for him to let car do . . .and Capers. . .
    I think Kubes gets the same courtesey

    Rocket River
     
  8. moestavern19

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    Its not crazy.

    Its called taking a risk to put away a team. People who play scared, by the book and conservative all the time end up micromanaging themselves to the unemployment line.

    Kubiak went conservative and ran the ball all 3 times. If you're on the opposing team's 30 yard line that is one matter. But they were right near the end zone.

    In my mind, you go play action on 3rd down and go for the knockout punch. Boom. Game over. What the Jets manage to do with the ball becomes irrelevant.

    Kubiak tried to put faith in his defense and it backfired on him. His defense sucks. A caring coach understands his defense needs confidence, but a smart coach understands that when his offense is good and his defense is arguably the worst pass defense in NFL history... You have to use the tools you have to guarantee a win.


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  9. desihooper

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    So I agree that maybe you run a naked bootleg with a run/pass option on third down, but you don't risk stopping the clock there under any circumstances. If you go PA and then throw it incomplete, everyone would be saying what a bonehead call that was.

    That being said, even if we score and go up by 8, the Jets still have a chance to tie the game against our sorry secondary.

    Kubiak played it right, IMO, on that series. Run the ball, make them use their TOs, and take your points.

    It's just another tragic ending for this team - three weeks in a row....
     
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    Actually they would have had a bit more time and would have needed to go for two to tie. Which with the way the defense stopped the 50 second drive, I have no confidence that we wouldn't see overtime. Unless you advocate going for 2 when up 7 to force a 2 score game.
     
  12. Coach AI

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    I disagree. Horrible playcalling, clock and game management, terrible game planning against opposing defense, mismanagement of personnel on the field... these are also problems with this team. Our offense is certainly better than our defense, and we can win with it, but Kubiak's choices have hurt the team badly on that side of the ball and has certainly contributed to the Texans' losing ways.
     
  13. Raven

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    McNair is rich. He can afford to pay two coaches.
     
  14. DonnyMost

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    I thought his contract extension replaced his current deal. As in, it replaced his contract which was supposed to end at the end of this year with one that ended at the end of next year. Hrmph.
     
  15. Rocket River

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    In his defense . . . his defense had just given him the ball back
    for what appeared to be the cushioning-the-win-touchdown

    Maybe that gave him false confidence.

    Rocket River
     
  16. Major

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    This is EXACTLY what it reminds me of. People like the guy, so they look for every reason to put the blame elsewhere. "If only we could fix all the other problems, we could deal with Kubiak!"

    Alternatively, if we fix the Kubiak problem, maybe the other problems become easier to solve...
     
  17. Fatty FatBastard

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    If he was that stupid, then it is on him.

    We had 3 chances to put that game away. You don't give those up just to make sure the Jets have one less timeout. Especially knowing how truly awful our pass defense is.

    Combine that with what the idiot did in the 2 minute drill before halftime. Thank God we still had one time out remaining.... Oh, wait.
     
  18. meh

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    To excuse blame on Kubiak for our defense is absurd to say the least. He handpicked EVERYONE on the defensive side. He picked his DCs and his GM. He was the one who drafted Okoye, Kareem Jackson, and all other players responsible for the abomination. He's the one in charge of the clubhouse, allowing his players to play without a sense of urgency.

    If Kubiak had been a head coach under a "true" GM. And said GM picked his DC who has more or less free reign on defense, then I would be more inclined to keep him. But as it currently stands? HELL NO!
     
  19. desihooper

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    Not sure which of the threads this is supposed to go in, so I'll just put it here.

    I remember a graphic from the J-ville game that had the Texans as the highest scoring second half team in the league. I'd assume that is still the case given the second half performances the past two weeks. A cynic might say that they have to score a lot in the second half because they're always behind. And that's been the case a lot this year:

    Game 1: Up 13-10 vs. Indy.
    Game 2: Down 20-7 @ Washington
    Game 3: Down 10-3 vs. Dallas
    Game 4: Tied 14-14 @ Oakland
    Game 5: Down 24-3 vs. NY Giants
    Game 6: Down 14-7 vs. Kansas City
    Game 7: Down 17-3 @ Indy
    Game 8: Up 20-14 vs. San Diego
    Game 9: Down 17-3 @ Jacksonville
    Game 10: Down 13-7 @ NY Jets

    It begs the question, why the slow starts? And why the big second halves? The Texans Chick looked into the Texans (and all West Coast Offense teams) scripting their first 15 plays last year, and I think it's still applicable this year. That article has a link to a great article on what the coaches try to do with the script.

    I think we're using the script to see how to attack defenses, but it's putting us in a hole early in the games (three and outs, not having the "snaps" that Kubiak is complaining about when they abandon the running game). Maybe we're overly reliant on the script, and even if it leads to our big scoring second halves, it looks like we're not able to adjust quickly enough to keep the pressure on the opposing defense. Waiting till halftime to make the adjustments is sometimes too late. They make great adjustments, but if the horse is already out of the barn...

    I think we need to come out more aggressive in games. Maybe have the offense spark the defense (dangerous proposition because if teams are forced to pass, it might play into our weakness...). Something to break up the recent trend of falling behind early. Out of the 217 points we've scored this year, 80 have been scored in the first half (meaning more than 63% of the points have come in the second half).
     
  20. speedball

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    all of this summs up my motto for the texans ever since kubiak took over: TEXANS: WE'RE TOUGH TO BEAT.
     

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