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The case for keeping Kubiak

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Bandwagoner, Nov 21, 2010.

  1. meh

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    Simple. He obtained all the crappy players we have on the team. Schaub's overall game was good enough to win. That is, assuming you have a competent defense which can actually stop the other team from scoring lots of TDs.
     
  2. MadMax

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    This right here...absolutely.

    They're all culpable. After 5 years, it's ALL on them. Personnel. Play calling. Culture. All of it. All of it is on them.

    After 5 years, you are what you are. And they're remarkably consistent. It needs to go.
     
  3. ChievousFTFace

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    5 years in the NFL is a lifetime. He's had his chance and now it's time for somebody else to take over.

    Just thinking about our defense makes me want to punch the monitor.
     
  4. No Worries

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    Five years and no Superbowl rings. Kubiak has got to go.

    And so does Andy Reid. 10 seasons and no rings. Dude is living on borrowed time.
     
  5. br0ken_shad0w

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    *5 years with no playoff appearances. The only current coach who still has a job with the team that hired them for that time-span.
     
  6. The Real Shady

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    How about 5 years and no playoff appearances?
     
  7. meh

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    I am actually serious when I say that if we can get a Schottenhimer(sp?) clone in the offseason, I'd fire Kubiak and get him immediately. That way I can at least enjoy the regular season while it's going on.

    Pretty depressing that's the bar for success now for me. :(
     
  8. MadMax

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    Let me know when Kubiak approaches a .620 winning percentage and takes a team to a Super Bowl.
     
  9. Major

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    King of the Strawman, I see.
     
  10. No Worries

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    It is the rings that count, doncha know?
     
  11. No Worries

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    My post was a more of a counter-post to all of the hand wringing posts since the end of the Eagles game.

    The Texans played a great game last night. They had the lead in the fourth quarter ... on the road ... against a superior opponent (and organization). Kubiak deserves some credit for that.

    Yet all of the haters are unloading on Kubiak.

    BTW, I get it. Kubiak is not the best HC in the NFL. The Texans as an organization are striving to be average. We all want more.
     
  12. Major

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    I agree to an extent. As an isolated incident, this game is a terrible example of why to get rid of Kubiak. But I think where Texans fans get frustrated is that this process is repeated every year, to teams both inferior and superior. I think I saw somewhere that the Texans have given up a 4th quarter lead in almost every game they've lost this year. If true, then what happened yesterday (lead, 4th quarter, blowing it) has happened at home, on the road, against superior and inferior opponents. And the more general trend of the season seems to be repeats of previous years as well.

    So individually, this was just a tough loss against a better team. But taken as a pattern, this is more of "just another example" of the team's failings, which then reflects more on the coach. Perhaps the reality is that with a better coach, Philly is not necessarily considered the better team.
     
  13. Bandwagoner

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    Do you not watch the games? Just read about them?
     
  14. DonnyMost

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    Yeah, I didn't expect a win either.

    But enough is enough.

    At best, we're going 9-7 and missing the playoffs after absolutely BLOWING 4 games and having our headcoach cost us a couple more with his ridiculously inept play calling.

    Two years ago we missed the playoffs because we just weren't that good. It was understandable and acceptable.

    Last year we missed the playoffs because of Kubiak. It was frustrating, but gave us reason to expect more next year.

    This year not only are we not as good as we should be, but we're also seeing the same crap from Kubiak that will ultimately cost us the playoffs, yet again.

    The excuse train has left the station. Time is up. All of these freshmen, Gary, Rick, and especially Frank, need to pack their stuff and go find a new place to learn how to do their jobs.
     
  15. Major

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    I don't really memorize when/if they had 4th quarter leads in their various losses.
     
  16. Hey Now!

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    He hired Frank Bush.

    Ultimately, Kubiak has done more good than bad with this team. It's frustrating to constantly fail to get over that hump but we shouldn't discount his efforts to get us *to* the hump. Having said that, Kubiak has no one to blame but himself. He favored potential at every turn at the expense of results and it has cost this team repeatedly.

    If McNair, for whatever reason, refuses to fire him, he absolutely, positively has to reconfigure things around Kubiak. The team could sell me on a non-pipeline general manager who's given control of personnel and a non-pipeline defensive coordinator who has skins on the wall. Hire the next Scott Pioli and bring in Marv Lewis, and I'm on board with Kubiak getting a 6th year.

    Every one of Kubiak's peers, the offensive-minded peers, has a big-name coordinator on staff: Sean Payton has Gregg Williams, Mike McCarthy has Dom Capers, Todd Haley has Romeo Crennel. And they're all enjoying success. Gary's the only one that's consistently surrounded himself with rookie guys - Shannahan, Smith, Dennison, Bush... Actually, not entirely true - his first staff had Sherman on it but once he left, it's like he lost the blueprint.

    He's made the same mistakes with personnel. This team has wasted far too many "day one" picks on projects: Okoye, Barwin, Jones, Molden - even Schaub, who cost them two 2s, was a project. You can do that and absolutely build a winner - as long as those projects live up to their potential. Kubiak's guys too often have not.

    He turned his secondary, in a division with Peyton Manning and a conference with Rivers, Brady, Flacco, Roethlisberger, over to cast-offs and rookies and a inexperienced defensive coordinator and secondary coach who landed the gig on the coattails of his dad.

    I like Kubiak. A lot. I just wish he had made better decisions. This team isn't far off, but he is absolutely the reason they're not where they should be.

    McNair either needs to get Kubiak out of his own way or he needs a fresh start.
     
  17. No Worries

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    The same inept play calling that got us 24 points against an above average defense ... on the road???

    IMO the problem is that the Texans defense is lousy. The Texans need a serious coaching upgrade in the offseason. The Texans need a better scheme, better execution and maybe better players.

    The fact that the Texans have won any games this year, given their defense, is a serious hat tip to their offense, Kubiak's offense.
     
  18. SWTsig

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    you sure you're thinking of the same play, bro? that was an easily catchable pass.
     
  19. Major

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    But last year, their defense was much better, and the team looked exactly the same. Over the last few years, they haven't progressed any at all. The problems tend to vary, but the end result never does.
     
  20. SWTsig

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    please tell me this is a serious post.
     

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