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The case for keeping Kubiak

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Bandwagoner, Nov 21, 2010.

  1. Major

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    Maybe - but it was the same with the vet throwing QB (Kerry Collins) too. Even during parts of the Steve McNair era, it was "run Eddie George a lot for 3 yards and a cloud of dust". Again - not a criticism of him because it worked extremely well. But just as personal preference, I'd be more interested in an innovator type coach.

    I think Cowher is a little less conservative than people think. He gets that reputation because of Bettis and some of the crappy QBs they had, but their defenses were crazy aggressive, and they certainly tried to be creative with Kordell Stewart. They had lots of fun with Hines Ward and Randal-El throwing passes as well. I think until he got Big Ben, he mostly had an offense that was suited to the smash-mouth type of game. But when he got Ben, I thought he opened things up a lot more.

    Gruden is the creative offensive type - I'd love to see what he could do with the weapons the Texans have on offense. Ken Whisenhunt (who happened to be OC under Cowher) also is the creative type in my mind - obviously not available, but an example. Billick & Vermeil types would be interesting, and I'd have no problem with either. Martz is creative, but like you said, he has issues.

    Earlier, I said I'd like a proven coach - but I admit that a lot of the younger innovative types that would be available would probably be current OCs or DCs and not be proven. The collection of proven but creative coaches is fairly limited out there. If they couldn't get one of the stars above, I'm not sure if I'd rather have young and innovative (and risk Kubiak 2.0) or go with proven but boring like a Fisher.

    The sense I get with Fisher is that he would pound Arian Foster and use Schaub and Andre in more conservative way. He could probably win too - but when you have those kinds of players, I love the idea of unleashing that with a creative offense. Kubiak, minus his stupid WTF stuff, does a lot of that now. I'd hate to lose that part getting a conservative coach.
     
  2. Rocket River

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    Its going to be painful when he leaves . . .and McNair says. . I beleive in Gary!

    Rocket River
     
  3. BucMan55

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    The case for keeping Kubiak does not exist. The case for letting go of Kubes lies here in a nutshell:

    Cornerbacks are not instructed to play 6 yards off the line of scrimmage when on the goal line. If a corner is not instructed to do it and does it anyways, he would get an earful when going over to the sideline. Especially after giving up a TD on a slant pattern where the announcers describe the play like "7 on 7 drills."
     
  4. Air Langhi

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    How has it worked extremely well? Since fish took over 22/32 teams have made the superbowl. Since there were 4 expansion franchises added lets says roughly 70%+ of the teams in the nfl have made a super bowl. So the odds say given that he has been there so many years there is 70%+ probability he would have made a Superbowl. If you take away the mcm he has won 2 playoff games and has six winning seasons overall. The fact is 80-90% of the coaches that took their team to the superbowl are no longer with the team.

    People blame kubiak for being cute and throwing the ball against the colts and then say they should have passed with 55 sec to go with a chance to go up by 4. It will be interesting to hear what people will say if fisher ball doesn't work out.
     
  5. MadMax

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    you will never ever hear me criticize kubiak for running the ball on those 3 plays. that was absolutely the right thing to do. you made them use all timeouts. i have no problem with that. any coach in the league would do that.
     
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    Amen!! Especially when you consider that a TD and extra point would have only put us up by 8. The Jets still could've tied the game, so the risk/reward was just not there.

    Kubiak played it right on the offense end; the defense is the one that messed it up - AGAIN.
     
  7. rhino17

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    Completely true, you have to run there. However, the plays he called were not set up to score, they were to simply to secure ball control. If anyone thought there was even a chance of getting in the endzone with any of those plays, they are nuts. I just felt he did not even attempt to score.
     
  8. DonnyMost

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    Repped. Give credit where credit is due.

    Kubiak has made some DUMB redzone calls in his life, but this was not one of them.
     
  9. Cannonball

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    I think Schaub even said that they weren't trying to score there.
     
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    On first and second down... Kubiak said the same thing, I believe. They didn't want the Jets to give up a TD so they can get the ball back with their timeouts.

    Third down call could've been more aggressive and still keep the clock running, IMO.
     
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    I agree, maybe a draw like they tried in first half 3rd and long. I think they ran a weakside off tackle?
     
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    I wanted a play action bootleg with a run/pass option for Schaub. If it's there, run it in or toss it to your TE. If it's not there, slide down inbounds and take your three points.

    Too bad our QB is slow as molasses and even if he totally fooled the Jets, might get run down before he made it into the end zone :rolleyes:

    That being said, go win three in a row and get Uncle 'Mo on your side!
     
  13. No Worries

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    I am off to create ... http://www.FireMadMax.com
     
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    Gary Kubiak - Keep Him

    A better defense, with Kubiak’s faults and all would still be worth -

    7 points against San Diego

    8 points against Jacksonville

    and

    4 points against New York (J)

    If so, we’re 7 – 3 sitting in first place in the AFC South.

    Are we sitting here talking about firing Gary Kubiak if that’s the case? No. Gary Kubiak has warts. We can succeed with him, warts and all, if we just take away some of his power. I think he brings enough to the table to win if some of his decisions are checked at the door.
     
  15. DonnyMost

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    Kubiak has 5 games to win the division.

    Even 9-7 might do it.

    No excuses anymore.
     
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    Texans remaining schedule:
    @ PHI
    vs. BALT
    @ TEN
    @ DEN
    vs. JAX

    Jags remaining schedule:
    @ TEN
    vs. OAK
    @ IND
    vs. WASH
    @ HOU

    Colts remaining schedule:
    vs. DAL
    @ TEN
    vs. JAX
    @ OAK
    vs. TEN

    Titans remaining schedule:
    vs. JAX
    vs. IND
    vs. HOU
    @ KC
    @ IND

    Strength of schedule IMO...

    1) Texans (5-6)
    2) Jags (6-5)
    3) Titans (5-6)
    4) Colts (6-5)

    The Jags have all 3 of their remaining division games on the road, ouch.

    The Colts could literally waltz to 10-6.

    We need 9 wins minimum to even have a chance at the division title.

    We need the rest of the AFC South to start sucking, NOW.
     
  17. Rocket River

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    From the who wins the Division thread:

    At this point. I think I will go with the colts again.
    Thought Their Schedule is no cake walk [6-4]
    12 Sun, Nov 28 San Diego 8:20 PM
    13 Sun, Dec 5 Dallas 4:15 PM
    14 Thu, Dec 9 at Tennessee 8:20 PM
    15 Sun, Dec 19 Jacksonville 1:00 PM
    16 Sun, Dec 26 at Oakland 4:05 PM
    17 Sun, Jan 2 Tennessee 1:00 PM

    I can see Losses At San D, Dallas and a much improved Oakland
    At worse they are 9-7

    Next the Jags [6-4]
    12 Sun, Nov 28 at NY Giants 1:00 PM
    13 Sun, Dec 5 at Tennessee 1:00 PM
    14 Sun, Dec 12 Oakland 1:00 PM
    15 Sun, Dec 19 at Indianapolis 1:00 PM
    16 Sun, Dec 26 Washington 1:00 PM
    17 Sun, Jan 2 at Houston 1:00 PM

    I can see losses at NY, Oakland, Indie and Houston
    Leaving them at 8-8
    They may surprise some folx.



    then Tennessee [5-5]
    12 Sun, Nov 28 at Houston 1:00 PM
    13 Sun, Dec 5 Jacksonville 1:00 PM
    14 Thu, Dec 9 Indianapolis 8:20 PM
    15 Sun, Dec 19 Houston 1:00 PM
    16 Sun, Dec 26 at Kansas City 1:00 PM
    17 Sun, Jan 2 at Indianapolis 1:00 PM

    I can see Losses at Houston [twice] , Indie [twice], and KC.
    I can see them losing at the Jags too.
    At worse they are 5-11
    If they go 0-6 without VY - Does that put pressure on Fisher to 'work it out'?

    Then the Texans [4-6]
    12 Sun, Nov 28 Tennessee 1:00 PM
    13 Thu, Dec 2 at Philadelphia 8:20 PM
    14 Mon, Dec 13 Baltimore 8:30 PM
    15 Sun, Dec 19 at Tennessee 1:00 PM
    16 Sun, Dec 26 at Denver 4:05 PM
    17 Sun, Jan 2 Jacksonville 1:00 PM

    I see losses at Phili, Baltimoe and maybe Jacksonville
    This would leave them at 7-9

    Possibly leaving the Titans as cellar dwellars
    they have 5 division games and KC
    the Texans still have the hardest schedule form here on out.

    Rocket River
     
  18. DonnyMost

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    The Texans and Colts tied up at 9-7 would be ideal, as we would likely trump them with division wins, and if not, probably conference wins.
     
  19. Rocket River

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    Thought Their Schedule is no cake walk [6-4]
    12 Sun, Nov 28 San Diego LOSS
    13 Sun, Dec 5 Dallas 4:15 PM
    14 Thu, Dec 9 at Tennessee 8:20 PM
    15 Sun, Dec 19 Jacksonville 1:00 PM
    16 Sun, Dec 26 at Oakland 4:05 PM
    17 Sun, Jan 2 Tennessee 1:00 PM


    Puts texan fan in the weird position of rooting for the cowboys.

    I am giving them wins against Tennessee. so . . I see them at 8 - 8 min.
    Dallas, Jags and Oakland seems IMO to be their best shot [they would need to lose 2 out of 3 of these]

    Rocket River
     
  20. DonnyMost

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    If they are going to win any of those remaining games, we need to hope it is the cowboys and raiders games which they win.
     

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