Tell me again why Trevor Hoffman's a lot but billy wagner is not? http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/20...all-of-fame-case-houston-astros-new-york-mets
Most media members I've heard say Trevor isn't even a *lock. There just aren't many reliever-only players in the HOF... Eckersley, Smoltz both were starters for years. Although Wags does have several statistical advantges, Trevor's case is better due to 180+ extra saves. I remember Alou stopping Hoffman's consecutive save streak with a HR, though. Think we ended up losing the game, but at least it wasn't a total loss. Interesting about Billy... he grew up right-handed, but his friend broke his arm (they were horseplaying IIRC) forcing him to throw lefty. Loved watching him pitch. Unfortunately, he's another great player from those teams who failed in the postseason. Demoralizing times once the playoffs began.
Neither belongs, but it is believed Hoffman will make it. Temporarily being the all-time saves leader being the only reason. I hate full-time relievers going to the HOF.
Great Relief pitchers are crucial to winning. Look at the royals and astros. I think a great reliever is under rated by baseball.
A relief pitcher can, his name is Mariano Rivera. Roy Oswalt isn't a HOFer, but was a way better and more productive player than Trevor Hoffman. Huston Street is very similar to Trevor Hoffman, do you feel like you are watching a HOFer in Huston Street?
They are important. It doesn't make them HOF worthy. He is an exception, and there likely will be others in the future. Rivera has nearly twice the WAR of his contemporaries (Wagner/Hoffman) and is the all-time leader in ERA+. That doesn't even get into his postseason success.
I don't think they ever officially chose, but rather gave a preference. Now I think they abandoned officially allowing a preference, but I think they still take it into consideration. He's not making it, but you would think it would be as an Astros player, since he spent more time here than anywhere else, or without a logo.
You are correct, but is sort like Kickers in the NFL, and true Point Guards in the NBA. They never really get the respect they deserve and face a steep climb to get into the their respective HoF's.
I'm not a fan of either in the HOF, but this highlights the ridiculousness of writers: Hoffman = 67.3% Wagner = 10.5%
Depressing memories. I don't even remember him specifically failing in the playoffs, but not surprised. Loved watching him pitch, though. Helps Houston that Drayton is gone. Surprising since he played for PHI and NYM. Maybe they fear he'll enter as a Stro Baseball-reference shows him wearing an Astro cap.
On multiple levels: 1) that they see any difference between the two; 2) that they deem Trevor Hoffman HoF worthy.
I don't think HOF'er when I think of Wagner. There is nothing famous about him. Hoffman is a little closer ( ironic hugh ) to what I think of a Hall of Famer. He's a little more known. But I agree. Neither is really what I would describe as a Hall of Famer. And for those same reasons I would not include Thome. I mean who will stop at these plaques and reflect. nice guys. good players. But not famous.
I know it's called "Hall of Fame", but isn't qualification based on performance rather than "fame" or notoriety? By those standards, Bagwell and Biggio don't belong, either. Do you know who Eddie Collins or Rogers Hornsby are? They're not famous, either, but there aren't many players in the last forty years that belong in the same room with them.
