<table border="1" cellpadding="0" font size="1" width="70%"><caption align="top">All-Defensive Teams</caption><tr align="center" valign="bottom"><td width="6%">Season</td><td width="6%">NBA Champion</td><td><strong></strong> </td><td width="6%"> </td><td width="6%"> </td><td width="6%"> </td><td width="7%"> </td><td width="7%"> </td><td width="7%"> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom" bgcolor="#C0C0C0"><td>79-80</td><td>Lakers</td><td><strong>1st</strong></td><td>Bobby Jones</td><td><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Kareem Abdul-Jabbar</strong></font></td><td>Dan Roundfield</td><td>Dennis Johnson</td><td>Don Buse</td><td>Micheal Richardson</td></tr> <tr align="center" valign="bottom" bgcolor="#C0C0C0"><td> </td><td> </td><td><strong>2nd</strong></td><td>Scott Wedman</td><td>Kermit Washington</td><td>Dave Cowens</td><td>Quinn Buckner</td><td>Eddie Johnson</td><td> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom"><td>80-81</td><td>Boston</td><td><strong>1st</strong></td><td>Bobby Jones</td><td>Caldwell Jones</td><td>Kareem Abdul-Jabbar</td><td>Dennis Johnson</td><td>Michael Richardson</td><td> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom"><td> </td><td> </td><td><strong>2nd </strong></td><td>Dan Roundfield</td><td>Kermit Washington</td><td>George Johnson</td><td>Quinn Buckner</td><td>Dudley Bradley</td><td>Michael Cooper</td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom" bgcolor="C0C0C0"><td width="6%">81-82</td><td width="6%">Lakers</td><td><strong>1st </strong></td><td width="6%">Bobby Jones</td><td width="6%">Dan Roundfield</td><td width="6%">Caldwell Jones</td><td width="7%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Michael Cooper</strong></font></td><td width="7%">Dennis Johnson</td><td width="7%"> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom" bgcolor="#C0C0C0"><td> </td><td> </td><td><strong>2nd</strong></td><td><font color="#000000">Larry Bird</font></td><td>Lonnie Shelton</td><td>Jack Sikma</td><td>Quinn Buckner</td><td>Sidney Moncrief</td><td> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom"><td width="6%">82-83</td><td width="6%">Philly</td><td><strong>1st</strong></td><td width="6%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Bobby Jones</strong></font></td><td width="6%">Dan <font color="#000000">Roundfield</font></td><td width="6%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Moses Malone</strong></font></td><td width="7%">Dennis Johnson</td><td width="7%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Maurice Cheeks</strong></font></td><td width="7%">Sidney Moncrief</td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom"><td> </td><td> </td><td><strong>2nd</strong></td><td>Larry Bird</td><td>Kevin McHale</td><td>Wayne Rollins</td><td>Michael Cooper</td><td>T.R. Dunn</td><td> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom" bgcolor="#C0C0C0"><td width="6%">83-84</td><td width="6%">Boston</td><td><strong>1st</strong></td><td width="6%">Bobby Jones</td><td width="6%">Michael Cooper</td><td width="6%">Wayne Rollins</td><td width="7%">Maurice Cheeks</td><td width="7%">Sidney Moncrief</td><td width="7%"> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom" bgcolor="#C0C0C0"><td width="6%"> </td><td width="6%"> </td><td><strong>2nd</strong></td><td width="6%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Larry Bird</strong></font></td><td width="6%">Dan Roundfield</td><td width="6%">Kareem Abdul-Jabbar</td><td width="7%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Dennis Johnson</strong></font></td><td width="7%">T.R. Dunn</td><td width="7%"> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom"><td>84-85</td><td>Lakers</td><td><strong>1st</strong></td><td>Sidney Moncrief</td><td>Paul Pressey</td><td>Mark Eaton</td><td><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Michael Cooper</strong></font></td><td>Maurice Cheeks</td><td> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom"><td> </td><td> </td><td><strong>2nd</strong></td><td>Bobby Jones</td><td>Danny Vranes</td><td>Hakeem Olajuwon</td><td>Dennis Johnson</td><td>T.R. Dunn</td><td> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom" bgcolor="#C0C0C0"><td width="6%">85-86</td><td width="6%">Boston</td><td><strong>1st</strong></td><td width="6%">Paul Pressey</td><td width="6%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Kevin McHale</strong></font></td><td width="6%">Mark Eaton</td><td width="7%">Sidney Moncrief</td><td width="7%">Maurice Cheeks</td><td width="7%" bgcolor="#C0C0C0"> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom" bgcolor="C0C0C0"><td> </td><td> </td><td><strong>2nd</strong></td><td>Michael Cooper</td><td>Bill Hanzlik</td><td>Manute Bol</td><td>Alvin Roberson</td><td><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Dennis Johnson</strong></font></td><td> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom"><td width="6%">86-87</td><td width="6%">Lakers</td><td><strong>1st</strong></td><td width="6%">Kevin McHale</td><td width="6%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Michael Cooper</strong></font></td><td width="6%">Hakeem Olajuwon</td><td width="7%">Alvin Robertson</td><td width="7%">Dennis Johnson</td><td width="7%"> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom"><td> </td><td> </td><td><strong>2nd</strong></td><td>Paul Pressey</td><td>Rodney McCray</td><td>Mark Eaton</td><td>Maurice Cheeks</td><td>Derek Harper</td><td> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom" bgcolor="#C0C0C0"><td width="6%">87-88</td><td width="6%">Lakers</td><td><strong>1st</strong></td><td width="6%">Kevin McHale</td><td width="6%">Rodney McCray</td><td width="6%">Hakeem Olajuwon</td><td width="7%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Michael Cooper</strong></font></td><td width="7%">Michael Jordan</td><td width="7%"> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom" bgcolor="#C0C0C0"><td> </td><td> </td><td><strong>2nd</strong></td><td>Buck Williams</td><td>Karl Malone</td><td>Mark Eaton</td><td>Patrick Ewing</td><td>Alvin Robertson</td><td>Lafayette Lever</td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom"><td width="6%">88-89</td><td width="6%">Pistons</td><td><strong>1st</strong></td><td><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Dennis Rodman</strong></font></td><td width="6%">Larry Nance</td><td width="6%">Mark Eaton</td><td width="6%">Michael Jordan</td><td width="7%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Joe Dumars</strong></font></td><td width="7%"> </td><td width="7%"> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom"><td> </td><td> </td><td><strong>2nd</strong></td><td>Kevin McHale</td><td>A.C. Green</td><td>Patrick Ewing</td><td>John Stockton</td><td>Alvin Robertson</td><td> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom" bgcolor="#C0C0C0"><td width="6%">89-90</td><td width="6%">Pistons</td><td><strong>1st</strong></td><td width="6%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Dennis Rodman</strong></font></td><td width="6%">Buck Williams</td><td width="6%">Hakeem Olajuwon</td><td width="7%">Michael Jordan</td><td width="7%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Joe Dumars</strong></font></td><td width="7%"> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom" bgcolor="#C0C0C0"><td> </td><td> </td><td><strong>2nd</strong></td><td>Kevin McHale</td><td>Rick Mahorn</td><td>David Robinson</td><td>Derek Harper</td><td>Alvin Robertson</td><td> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom"><td width="6%">90-91</td><td width="6%">Chicago</td><td><strong>1st</strong></td><td width="6%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Michael Jordan</strong></font></td><td width="6%">Alvin Robertson</td><td width="6%">David Robinson</td><td width="7%">Dennis Rodman</td><td width="7%">Buck Williams</td><td width="7%"> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom"><td> </td><td> </td><td><strong>2nd</strong></td><td>Joe Dumars</td><td>John Stockton</td><td>Hakeem Olajuwon</td><td><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Scottie Pippen</strong></font></td><td>Dan Majerle</td><td> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom" bgcolor="#C0C0C0"><td width="6%">91-92</td><td width="6%">Chicago</td><td><strong>1st</strong></td><td>Dennis Rodman</td><td width="6%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Scottie Pippen</strong></font></td><td width="6%">David Robinson</td><td width="7%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Michael Jordan</strong></font></td><td width="7%">Joe Dumars</td><td width="7%"> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom" bgcolor="#C0C0C0"><td> </td><td> </td><td><strong>2nd</strong></td><td>Larry Nance</td><td>Buck Williams</td><td>Patrick Ewing</td><td>John Stockton</td><td>Michael Williams</td><td> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom"><td width="6%">92-93</td><td width="6%">Chicago</td><td><strong>1st</strong></td><td width="6%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Scottie Pippen</strong></font></td><td width="6%">Dennis Rodman</td><td width="6%">Hakeem Olajuwon</td><td width="7%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Michael Jordan</strong></font></td><td width="7%">Joe Dumars</td><td width="7%"> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom"><td> </td><td> </td><td><strong>2nd</strong></td><td><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Horace Grant</strong></font></td><td>Larry Nance</td><td>David Robinson</td><td>Dan Majerle</td><td>John Starks</td><td> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom" bgcolor="#C0C0C0"><td width="6%">93-94</td><td width="6%">Houston</td><td><strong>1st</strong></td><td width="6%">Scottie Pippen</td><td width="6%">Charles Oakley</td><td width="6%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Hakeem Olajuwon</strong></font></td><td width="7%">Gary Payton</td><td width="7%">Mookie Blaylock</td><td width="7%"> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom" bgcolor="#C0C0C0"><td> </td><td> </td><td><strong>2nd</strong></td><td>Dennis Rodman</td><td>Horace Grant</td><td>David Robinson</td><td>Nate McMillan</td><td>Latrell Sprewell</td><td> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom"><td width="6%">94-95</td><td width="6%">Houston</td><td><strong>1st</strong></td><td width="6%">Scottie Pippen</td><td width="6%">Dennis Rodman</td><td width="6%">Gary Payton</td><td width="7%">David Robinson</td><td width="7%">Mookie Blaylock</td><td width="7%"> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom"><td> </td><td> </td><td><strong>2nd</strong></td><td>Horace Grant</td><td>Derrick McKey</td><td>Dikembe Mutombo</td><td>John Stockton</td><td>Nate McMillan</td><td> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom" bgcolor="#C0C0C0"><td width="6%">95-96</td><td width="6%">Chicago</td><td><strong>1st</strong></td><td width="6%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Scottie Pippen</strong></font></td><td width="6%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Dennis Rodman</strong></font></td> <td width="6%">David Robinson</td><td width="7%">Gary Payton</td><td width="7%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Michael Jordan</strong></font></td><td width="7%"> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom" bgcolor="#C0C0C0"><td</td><td> </td><td> </td><td><strong>2nd</strong></td><td>Horace Grant</td><td>Derrick McKey</td><td>Hakeem Olajuwon</td><td>Mookie Blaylock</td><td>Bobby Phills</td><td> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom"><td width="6%">96-97</td><td width="6%">Chicago</td><td><strong>1st</strong></td><td width="6%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Scottie Pippen</strong></font></td><td width="6%">Karl Malone</td><td width="6%">Dikembe Mutombo</td><td width="7%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Michael Jordan</strong></font></td><td width="7%">Gary Payton</td><td width="7%"> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom"><td> </td><td> </td><td><strong>2nd</strong></td><td>Anthony Mason</td><td>P.J. Brown</td><td>Hakeem Olajuwon</td><td>Mookie Blaylock</td><td>John Stockton</td><td> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom" bgcolor="#C0C0C0"><td width="6%">97-98</td><td width="6%">Chicago</td><td><strong>1st</strong></td><td width="6%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Scottie Pippen</strong></font></td><td width="6%">Karl Malone</td><td width="6%">Dikembe Mutombo</td><td width="7%">Gary Payton</td><td width="7%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Michael Jordan</strong></font></td><td width="7%"> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom" bgcolor="#C0C0C0"><td> </td><td> </td><td><strong>2nd</strong></td><td>Tim Duncan</td><td>Charles Oakley</td><td>David Robinson</td><td>Mookie Blaylock</td><td>Eddie Jones</td><td> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom"><td width="6%">98-99</td><td width="6%">Spurs</td><td><strong>1st</strong></td><td width="6%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Tim Duncan</strong></font></td><td width="6%">Karl Malone</td><td width="6%">Scottie Pippen</td><td width="7%">Alonzo Mourning</td><td width="7%">Gary Payton</td><td width="7%">Jason Kidd</td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom"><td> </td><td> </td><td><strong>2nd</strong></td><td>P.J. Brown </td><td>Theo Ratliff</td><td>Dikembe Mutombo</td><td>Mookie Blaylock</td><td>Eddie Jones</td><td> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom" bgcolor="#C0C0C0"><td width="6%">99-00</td><td width="6%">Lakers</td><td><strong>1st</strong></td><td width="6%">Tim Duncan</td><td width="6%">Kevin Garnett</td><td width="6%">Alonzo Mourning</td><td width="7%">Gary Payton</td><td width="7%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Kobe Bryant</strong></font></td><td width="7%"> </td></tr><tr align="center" valign="bottom" bgcolor="#C0C0C0"><td width="6%"> </td><td width="6%"> </td><td><strong>2nd</strong></td><td width="6%">Scottie Pippen</td><td width="6%">Clifford Robinson</td><td width="6%"><font color="#0000FF"><strong>Shaquille O'Neal</strong></font></td><td width="7%">Eddie Jones</td><td width="7%">Jason Kidd</td><td width="7%"> </td></tr></table> <font size="2"> In only two seasons did the Championship team not have a player 1st or 2nd team All-Defensive. Those years were, 1980-1981 and 1994-1995. Mango [This message has been edited by Mango (edited May 28, 2001).]
funny how they haven't been destroyed by the west's best all season. does "UNDEFEATED" sound good? as in UNDEFEATED against the spurs, lakers, sacramento & utah. really? well i guess i'll just pencil in the 76rs defensive squad and the spurs in the finals. not. i'm willing to bet you'll see milwaukee v los angeles in the finals. **************** you say you'd rather have someone you can count on in the playoffs. can you please give me a name or two or people who #1) are available, #2) are proven to be post season wrecking balls and #3) could REALISTICALLY come to houston this summer or next? i can't think of one. the reason that there are no "proven post season studs" that will be leaving is because once you ARE a "proven post season stud", your team locks you up long term. what teams - like the rockets - end up doing is taking chances on players who have demonstrated ability and attitude in the regular season to carry their team(s), hoping they will develop into those postseason studs that you want. huh? you're assuming that the 2nd round is as far as chris webber will ever go. what if rockets fans had said that about hakeem olajuwon in 84? 85? 86 regular season? how about chicago fans and michael jordan his first 6 years in the nba? dude, i know what you're saying, and it makes perfect sense in hindsight. problem is, no one has the advantage of using "hindsight" in the present. in short, you ride with the horses that got you there. now, i'm willing to ride with a proven chris webber @ power forward over an unproven drafted power forward who might end up being sam bowie. [/b] the only hype i detect is the hype that defense is the key ingredient to winning a championship. that's bs, and you can read my other thread for why i think so... the real bottom line is that no one man, be it chris webber, iverson, etc. can win a championship on his own. it takes a team. and i think that if you take a close look at the teammates he has had, you'll find more hype...
WILL Why does everyone insist we will sign Webber outright? I'm almost positive if we get him . .. it will be Sign and Trade Which means the Cap hit will not be as high So I think we can still sign Mooch and Picks maybe even more. I don't think Chris is a HeadCase. I think we need to look at: 1. What does Chris bring? improvement at th 4 someone that can abuse/cancel out the other 4s. 2. What do we have? A D*MN GOOD BACK COURT all the rockets work this off season is on the front line. IMO the priorities are SF - C then PF BUT the upgrade at PF is much better than we can expect that the other two positions Webber can draw double teams Webber is a low post presences Webber can rebound. Webber can pass Webber can spot up shoot KT+Moe can do alot of these things but not all on the court at the same time I think in the Webber Debate We need to look at the whole line up and how it will improve with webber Also What else is out there? If not Webber what? Give Hakeem his 10 Mil? Could the Anti Webber fans please explain to me If we don't go after webber. . . what should we do? Stay as is? Go after someone else? who? Why? Rocket River ------------------
I won't judge Webber based on his recent performance in the playoffs. Webber hurt both ankles this season. He lost his conditioning. Is that all attributed to the sore ankles? Or did his state of mind have something to do with it? He was obviously extremely unhappy in Sacramento and finally saw the light at the end of the tunnel: "I resent that I was sent here." I think if Webber signs here it will be because he can develop the same sort of extremely close friendship that Steve and Cat share. He knows he can play with the same main players for the next seven years or so. He would sign here because he would love showing up for work. Do I think he's worth (approximately) 112 million dollars? Hell no. Who is? Do I think the combination of Steve/Cat and Webber will generate a lot of local and national interest? Maybe put us back into championship contention? Hell yes. If CD can pull off something clever---and I think he can---to get a decent center and small forward to go along with the main trio, then all the better. ------------------
Verse, Man, I am really not the type of person to say, "I told you so", but I really am curious as to what you think of the offensive juggernaut Bucks now that their confidence is shaken and their shots have stopped falling. You make some good points about Hakeem and Shaq in their early carreers, but I think...especially in Hakeem's case...that they exhibited a real competitive fire...a desire to get better and succeed. I just don't see that from Webber. I don't know, call it a gut reaction. I mean, I guess we have to spend all of our cap money as soon as possible because it's generally not good to rest on your laurels in professional sports. But, man, I wish there was another option. If we have to get him, fine, I'll root along side everyone else...every bit as vehemently. But I just don't think that we will ever...once the initial thrill (ala Scottie Pippen) is gone...feel good about spending every cent we have on the Chris Webber paper lion. But if that's what we do, so be it. Go C-Webb.....woohoo. ------------------ Gascon [This message has been edited by Gascon (edited May 16, 2001).]
yep, and still put up these #s: FG: 42 - 100: 42% FT: 75% Rebounds: 12.8 Assists: 3.8 Points: 26.3 against the diesel. and mvp #s during the season, too.
definition of ludicrous: comparing c webb to pippen. pippen was always, always, always and complementary player. never was the man, except for 1 season. the rest of his career he was robin to batman. c webb has always been batman. the caped crusader may have been unhappy, but he always produced. what he needs is robin and friends. i think he, cat, and steve are the trio to rule gotham city.
Verse (and anybody else who thinks that defense doesn't matter), I have given my opinion on the matter of defense in previous posts. I have given my core reason (basis for my beliefs) in the table presented above. I would like for the opposing side (Verse et al) to present the basis for their beliefs that defense doesn't matter in regards to winning championships. I have already heard your opinions about this, so spare me those. I wish to see provable facts to support your theories. Mango ------------------ Get it right or just don't do it! Resistance is futile....you will be assimilated. Start more Webber threads! [This message has been edited by Mango (edited May 16, 2001).]
Playoff performance is so overrated. There are tons of guys who don't win for years in the playoffs, then explode. Like Grant Hill's rep... what a load of crap. He's still in his 20's, and has never had THAT much talent beside him, and hasn't won a championship, so he's "not a winner." Hmm... Hakeem never got to the championship without Sampson until he was 33. It took Jordan years, and he had Pippen and Horace Grant when he finally made it. Hill never had htat supporting caste. ------------------ I would believe only in a God who could dance. - Friedrich Nietzsche Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001
Mango, You know i am a Defense fan, so does this mean you think Vecsey is right with his quote "And then there's C-Ya Webb defense, affectionately known around the league (and behind his back during stretches) as C-Webb's man do whatever he pleases." I like C-Webb, but my gut feeling is his addition without the coupled addition of a Intimidating-Defending-Rebounding Big Fella, we will turn into a Phoenix and never get past the second round. Smeg ------------------ "The things I enjoy most, I suck at: 1) Sex: everything's fine until she makes noises." - Achebe
yea, haven, but webber's a loser. we read this book in scottie pippen. remember how dominant scottie was before he came here? how he put up mvp caliber #s? how he single handedly resurrected an entire franchise? then he came here and did a complete nosedive? yea, i do. he was a 30-10-9 man before he got here. then he just sucked. ok he really did suck but c webb is no s pipp.
Another demonstration of how much offense/defense matters would be to see where championship teams over the last X number of years ranked in terms of (1) scoring and (2) defensive FG% (the best measurement of defense, since fewest points allowed can simply be a product of a slow-paced offense). I know that the last two champions ranked #1 in defensive FG% (the Lakers last year, and the Spurs the year before). I don't have time at the moment to run the numbers I've described, but the raw info is easily accessible at http://shell.rmi.net/~doug Happy calculating! (P.S. In the current playoffs, one might note that there were three second-round matchups between high-flying offensive teams and outstanding defensive teams -- SA/Dallas, LA/Sacramento, and Charlotte/Milwaukee. Overall, the defenses have succeeded more often than not in throttling the offenses.) ------------------ [This message has been edited by Swopa (edited May 16, 2001).]
I find it kind of funny that some folks think we shouldn't go after Webber just because he didn't have a stellar (for him) playoffs. Let's compare Webber's Number in Round 2 vs MVP Iverson's numbers (games 1-4): Webber: 26.5pts, 12.75reb,42%FG PCT,3.75ast Iverson: 35.75pts,5.25reb,39.2% FG Pct, 5.25ast Are you telling me that Iverson is an MVP and Webber has no heart? Looks to me like Iverson just shot the ball a whole lot more than Webber and he had the luxury of playing against Toronto instead of LA. ------------------
Swopa, I might give it a shot tomorrow, because I need to sign off and sleep. ----------------------------------------- Smeg, I know you like "D" and even with Shaq on the bench, the Kings couldn't stop the Lakers on Sunday. Unless the Rockets get a Sure Thing to do the grunt work, the Rockets + Webber are wasting time. Some people claim that a legit Zone Defense will help the lesser defensive players stay on the court (equalize things). Won't Duncan and Shaq be even more effective on Defense since zones will be legal? Mango If ------------------ Get it right or just don't do it! Resistance is futile....you will be assimilated. Start more Webber threads!
Wanna know what they are saying here in NYC? Alot of the reporters and media personnel are reporting that they heard Webber constantly complain about how rough it was to guard Shaq and getting past him would put him against Duncan. Not an easy task JUST TO GET TO THE FINALS. Supposedly, he wants to head East (Knicks, of course) to at least hope to get to a final(s) in his career where at least there is a shot at a ring. Now, of course this could be all a ploy because New York wants Webber. But I really don't think so. Alot of the fans on the radio are actually getting on the "anti-Webber" bandwagon because of his performance. And now with the resignation of the man who basically ran the Knicks for 10 years, the uncertainty is rampant at the MSG. I hear alot of callers stating that they rather sign Antonio Davis to play along Camby, then keep Latrell and Houston. I think that would be a better move, personally. They are also trying to land Payton. They really like what Kurt Thomas is bringing to the table. Trust me when I tell you that if enough fans call and say they don't want Webber, he won't be here. That being said, I have no doubt that Webber is coming to our team. The hype is just too much for the Rocks to pass. I would like 2 Antonio Davis types if possible to go with the backcourt. But, I am just a fan way out here so lets see what happens. ------------------ Sleepless in the Bronx
It is amazing how many people say this, yet proclaim that SF is our most pressing need. Like even Shawn Marion (the league's best intimidating SF, outright replacing Anthony Mason) helped push Phoenix over the top. NOT! You guys are schizonphrenic about our needs. We will not target a new SF until we fix our interior intimidator problem, because Rudy and CD know that Cato sucks, and we need to replace him and add yet another big body...that's two PF/Cs we are short! vs a marginal need for a SF. Bet me!
HP, Hypocrite my arse The rockets desperatley need an upgrade at the Sf position and this will be done through the draft, well unless scientists find a way to combine Shandon's defense, Walt's scorign ability and Langhi's unique body size. How else will we upgrade the SF position. They will be only one person losing their moniker and i will love to see you go around known as SmegsPartner. Bring the bet on I'm in, so come all you whimps and set up t the plate, their are just to many speacial athletic SF in the draft for Rudy and CD to **** this up. Smeg Smeg ------------------ "The things I enjoy most, I suck at: 1) Sex: everything's fine until she makes noises." - Achebe [This message has been edited by SmeggySmeg (edited May 16, 2001).]
Heypee, Where are we going to find an intimidator in the draft that is going to be able to step in immediately and produce? It takes any rookie longer to figure out how to defend and rebound in the NBA than to score. As Chuck always said, any knucklehead can score. I'd rather go for the most talented athlete available and hire an Antonio Davis or even Marc Jackson through FA. If that athlete is a small forward, great...we need one. I think, from what I'm reading above, that New York is starting to get the right idea. ------------------ Gascon
Gascon & Mango: i never said it doesn't matter. i've always said it was overrated. big difference. re: bucks. they played good "d". check the score. what faltered was their offense. once again, the overrated defense shows it's ugly head. they kept charlotte under 100 points. by anyone's stats, that's good d. their offense and rebounding yesterday, however, is another story. oh and mango, i'll appease your stat fetish sometime today, if i can continue to sneak from the evil boss.... [This message has been edited by verse (edited May 16, 2001).]
hold up Mango!!!!! i just realized something. you're pointing out the all-defensive team 1st teamers for those teams and asking me to do the same. however, the nba does not have an "all offensive team". therefore, it's somewhat difficult for me to follow your format. what i can do, however, is point out the offensive capabilities of that team/individual. would that suffice? p.s. i would appreciate a response to my earlier question about the 76ers being a worse team when they added all defense mutombo.... [This message has been edited by verse (edited May 16, 2001).]
