From the NBA CBA FAQ maintained by Larry Coon. #71 "..........In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances: When the player is playing under a one-year contract and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the contract. When the trading deadline has passed. For three months or until December 15th of that season (whichever is later) after signing a contract as a free agent or draft rookie. In combination with other players for two months after receiving the player in trade, if the team is over the salary cap. For one year after exercising the right of first refusal to keep a restricted free agent (however, the player can consent to a trade to any team except the team that tried to sign him). After claiming a player on waivers, for 30 days if the player was claimed during a season, or until the first day of the next season if the player was claimed during the offseason. " Also, PJ Brown could only be traded as a single player since he was part of a multiplayer trade this summer. It is possible that two serial deals could be executed by Houston and the Hornets since the trade exception gives some flex in making the deals. Don't know if the NBA would approve two serial deals that were meant to bypass the rule. Mango ------------------ 1. Put new topics in the proper forum 2. Use clear wording for new threads 3. No duplicate threads 4. Conduct yourself as an adult The Serious Police are watching Donate Blood or be assimilated! [This message has been edited by Mango (edited August 23, 2000).]
I forgot that PJ Brown had been traded to the Hornets. My apologies - december 15 it is! ------------------ 1. Put new topics in the proper forum 2. Use clear wording for new threads 3. No duplicate threads 4. Conduct yourself as an adult The Serious Police are watching
Here are some backup 5's who make more than $3m/year: Lorenzen Wright 6.0 Chris Gatling 4.26 Chris Dudley 8.75 Matt Geiger 8.5 Adonal Foyle 4.25 Travis Knight 3.14 Scott Pollard 5.12 Michael Stewart 4.0 I don't think $4m is too much for an insurance policy if Dream can't go the full season AND someone who can body up Shaq, Robinson, Sabonis/Kemp AND someone who has decent range AND can play some situational 4 (like maybe D against 'Sheed or Malone). It's starting to sound like a bargain. If we can get both Miller and Taylor and if it means losing Walt, I say do it and let Langhi and 'Los pull the time at 3. Perhaps even a deal for Terence Morris in the next draft!! ------------------ GATER
Seeing as Doug Christie almost got traded for Miller earlier in the summer, it kind of makes our deal seem all the better. Miller would have been ideal for us 2-3 years ago after Willis was traded and Dream desperatley needed a capable back-up. Azim da Dream ------------------ We don't live for the destination. We live for the journey.
"If we can get both Miller and Taylor and if it means losing Walt, I say do it and let Langhi and 'Los pull the time at 3." How 'bout we lose Drew instead? We can't use him, they apparently can. We still need Walt. Besides, he's more valuable in our offense than Miller would be to our defense. We had alot of close games last season... ------------------
Treeman, I meant losing Walt as a worse case scenario. I think both deals could be done without a trade if we go above 3.9m for Miller(that is what Charlotte can match and keep him). Taylor would have to sign the 2.5m exception with the understanding his reward is next season. I think this is a 7 or 8 seed in the West: 1 > Francis, Moochie 2 > Shandon, Cat 3 > Walt, Langhi, 'Los 4 > Taylor, KT 5 > Dream, Kato, B.Miller IR > Bull, Bryce, Collier Again, Miller gives us quality minutes at the 5 and can play some D in situation where Taylor and KT may not be able to (bigger, stronger 4's). If the Rocks pull this off, it's been a real successful summer. ------------------ GATER
Here's another Brad Miller question: Why would the Rockets ever tie up cap space on Brad Miller? ------------------ I've posted so much that what I say must be true. The latest on Maurice Taylor
Cap isn´t all is cracked up to be. Next year´s free agent class is a weak one where only webber would be useful to us, and he ISN`T coming here. I second the thoughts of getting BOTH Mo and Brad Miller (who could play some 4 too). We would be a lock to reach the playoffs and have a young team for many years to come. If we manage to add Rashard in the future, we would have the best young team in the league. We would outrun everyone out of the building, LOL. It´s a no brainer. ------------------ "The world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams. It´s Heaven and Hell!"
Just to clarify again: 1. If Miller is perceived by CD as a second stringer, he will not spend $3Million (plus) on him. If Miller however is the only available PF,( as noted there is not a lot of PF's to choose from out there this year or next ... C Webb will not be in our uni next year) then they would probably expend money in that area $+3Million to get him. In short: If Miller is perceived as the "best of the rest" and they can see him taking some quality starts and/or platooning with 30 minutes a game they would pull the trigger on a favorable deal. But be assured at this stage he is the second choice after Mo Taylor. If we sign Taylor, which is getting to be more and more of a possibility, how CD/RT?etc... perceives Miller's use will determine how much they would be willing to spend on him. 2. The chances of getting BOTH MoTay and Brad Miller are slim and improbable, but possible, under present conditions. It certainly is desirable. 3. A tandem of Mo putting in 28-30 minutes and backed up by both KT and Miller would be awesome. But I would suggest that IF the Rox get Taylor he would get the bulk of the time and be backed up very adequately by KT. Irregardless, if Mo was the first move nand signed, they would likely back-off the charge to get Miller, simply because the urgency for a PF would not be as great. 4. Ideally, CD and company still would like to lock Mo in for three years, not the one at the $2.5M. This solves a number of problems, and maybe more importantly gives them a more open option on the use of the $2.5M exemption. 5. Several posters have listed PF's making more than $3M etc... as an indication that teams, such as the Rockets would not be opposed to spend that kind of money. Please keep in mind that we are talking about each case as a specific placement on the roster, a desired use to the team's overall plan, the available money options at the time of acquisition and other factors (timing, agents, hometown, exceptions and exemptions, roster lifecycles,etc...) to determine the actual price for a player. If the scenario played out that: Mo was picked up for the $2.5M and Miller was favorably traded for and recieved $3.1M, that would have no real significance to the value each respectively had on the team. Someone like Dudley, who gets $3M plus, does not demonstrate that anyone more talented should always be offered more than Dudley TooTall in the real world of sports acquisitions. It sounds good from the guy's agent while negotiating, but CD and company, the guys who will spend that kind of money, do not follow that path of thinking. [This message has been edited by oeilpere (edited August 24, 2000).]
Oeilpere, Now that the PF position is settled, do you see the Rockets standing pat with the current roster going into the season? Or do you think the Rockets will make some more moves. I sure would love to see Maggette here. Am I just hanging on to a pipe dream? ------------------
