Believe me, benching collier is really the LEAST of our worries right now. And if Mo signs us for 2.25 mil, it will be with the promise of a HUGE payout next year, which means the "jealousy" you referred to would not come into play. As a matter of fact, the Rockets would sign Taylor for the long run if they could, but NO ONE seems able to do a sign and trade with the damn clips. Most of you guys don´t get that capspace will be nearly worthless next year. Only Webber would be intersting to us, and he is NOT coming here. We should sign the available players NOW, IHMO. A roster with: (for 2001-02) C Cato, Miller, Collier PF Mo, KT, Los SF Langhi, Anderson SG Anderson, Mobley PG Francis, Moochie looks awesome if it could be done, IHMO. We could even dump Los or KT for another SF, since Miller could play the 4, and Hakeem and Bul would have retired by then. ------------------ "The world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams. It´s Heaven and Hell!"
OIL to the rescue!!!!.... I guess we have determined that Collier is a bust. Why do we need Brad? Is he really going to help us get to the playoffs? NO I say try to pick up Mo, if we can not get him then that is fine. We will be able trade with other teams next year because we will be under the cap.(maybe get Webber) I would be willing to trade players that take up cap space. I would love to trade for Ewing since his contract is up next year. Imagine another 15 mil next year after his contract is over. We could pick up a disgruntled star. There is always a few of them out there every year. I know there is no chance but I believe that would be the best deal. What do you think Oil? ------------------ Fuggetabout it
I guess you just don't get it. Miller is a FREE AGENT! Charlotte would sign him in a heartbeat, but Miller is not sold on the idea of going back to Charlotte. It is HIS choice, which is why he hasn't signed. A legit center with offensive skills, rebounding, defense, and a hard work ethic is worth that and probably more. If we got Miller for 3M a year, I'd consider it a decent bargain. As for Collier, he will get his time to develop. You don't have to throw a player right into the fire to have him learn. As good as Collier might turn out to be, and I like him, you don't pass up a solid young center available just to let someone else develop. As I mentioned earlier, first of all Charlotte would match it in a heartbeat. But there is no way Miller will accept that. He isn't THAT desperate to play here. The Bulls offered him $25 mil over 5 years to play there. Somehow I doubt he'd turn down 24 million extra dollars to play for Houston. ------------------ Looking for next year's Dan Langhi? Draftsource.net Assimilate David Falk!!
Yes. Miller is a young big man who can play the 4 or 5 very well. He's a good offensive player, defender, rebounder, and has a very good work ethic. He would be a definite starter here and is much better than anything we have at the 4 right now. He would help a LOT. WOW! What great analysis! A player isn't a superstar in a summer league and he is already a bust? I think you need to stop jumping the gun here. ------------------ Looking for next year's Dan Langhi? Draftsource.net Assimilate David Falk!! [This message has been edited by The Cat (edited August 23, 2000).]
It hasn't yet been mentioned in this thread that Miller played for Rudy on that USA team, and may be warm to coming to the Rockets. pere-you said: "But that would mean we get Taylor in a sign and trade which means the Clippers basically give us what we want without much compensation (Drew or Los and our exception), when they have repeatedly said they did not want more roster players. AND, we get Charlotte turning their back on Miller without compensation, which also is highly unlikely. Wouldn't the plausible scenario be Taylor signs for the 2.25 (with Mo Money later) and then a sign and trade of the exception plus Drew or Los etc. for Miller? ------------------ The Serious Police are watching. Follow the rules or be assimilated. Shandon is underrated.
Agreed, Nikestrad, that´s exactly what i was thinking in my other posts, though i didn´t post it as clearly as you did. Next year it´s Mo´s turn to hit the jackpo and be a happy camper, and then we´d be all set if Langhi develops as we think he will. If he doesn´t, we will be just an SF from being a very deep and dangerous team. ------------------ "The world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams. It´s Heaven and Hell!"
uh, if MO doesn't sign in Houston, Miller wouldn't be a bad option to sign with the 2.25 exception. If Charlotte does't want to pay him more than that, that is. can't have too many 7 footers. But I also can't see why the Hornets would want Drew Oilee. Who would make the frontline roster if Miller was added to the team Oillee. Seems a little crowded with mediocre players already. ------------------ I am so exasperated that I could expectorate.
Thanos: So that makes Wesley a Francis-style PG. A PG is a PG is a PG. How long can you play a 6' SG? Folks here gripe about Mobes only being 6'4"-- short for a SG. Wesley has been in the league for, what, 8 years? He's a PG with an outside shot, that's all. Sure he wants out of Charlotte; he's haunted by the Bobby Phills tragedy. ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils. [This message has been edited by RichRocket (edited August 23, 2000).]
Cat, I hope you see how you contradicted yourself in your reply to me. Miller is a restricted FA. He is free to choose the team he signs with, but not the team he actually plays for. I will repeat this. Charlotte will not match any offers for Miller. Why? Look at their current roster of 4/5s: P.J. Brown (29 mpg) Elden Campbell (33 mpg) Derrick Coleman (32 mpg) Todd Fuller (10 mpg) Jamaal Magloire (rookie) Otis Thorpe (15 mpg) With the addition of PJ in particular, why would Charlotte think they needed him. They are bluffing. I still stand by statement that Miller is not worth $3-4M. This is mainly since he is not an NBA starter. If Miller had the game you think he has, DC would have bench in a New York minute. If Chicago has offered Miller $25M over 5 years, he should thank his lucky stars and signed on the dotted line. ------------------
Outside of Eddie Jones, Derrick Coleman was the star of the Hornets team last year. He was a consistent 17/9 type guy who could score and rebound with the top PFs in the league. I think Miller is good, but so is Derrick Coleman also. Coleman is Charlotte's PF now and for the future. He won't be benched. As for the comment on me contradicting myself, no I did not. There are plenty of teams, including the Bulls, who have in the past or now are willing to offer more than the 3.9M Charlotte can match. My other question is why does every Hornet inside source and website maintain the feeling that they WILL match any offer for Miller that they can? I doubt you know more than they do. ------------------ Looking for next year's Dan Langhi? Draftsource.net Assimilate David Falk!! [This message has been edited by The Cat (edited August 23, 2000).]
I agree in part with a lot of the observations made here. So let me reiterate. 1. Is Miller worth that kinda money? Miller is a desirable commodity for sure. But to the Rockets? At $3+ million for a backup, the Rockets will not do that. To get 3+ million it must be by the sign and trade route. They have no other option. That means a three year deal worth .... I am guessing here of course .... about $12-13M. He has to be thought of as a 30+minute player at least, and I don't think RT will give him that amount of time. I agree he would eventually get his minutes because with Miller and no other acquisitions this season ...... I see KT, Miller, Collier and Carlos getting the PF duties. And, in that order. 2.Would they like to get him as a backup to a Maurice Taylor. Hell yeah. But what price glory? they would be ecstatic. But paying Mo $2.5M and paying Miller $3.3M, no matter how you look at it would cause problems. 3. Can we get both guys? It is possible but very improbable. Charlotte wants him as bait or they will match at least up to the $2.25M exemption to keep him. Disgruntled or not. So he comes in a sign and trade or he doesn't come, in my estimation. 4.I would like to think Mo has the balls to do what Thanos proposed. Bite the bullet. Go for the sure PF playtime in Houston and accept the ... wink!-wink! ... promise of more next year based on his performance. But my eternal optimisim has been shattered time and again by lesser a pain in the ass than Mr.Maurice Taylor or his Agent. Absolute best case scenario: Miller and Charlotte both face reality and agree to a sign and trade with Charlotte worth $2 or $3M a year in a three year deal. We send them Drew plus Charlotte gets a million and a half to two million trade exception for next year in the bargain. We have another face to face with Maurice and agrees to the $2.5M exemption this year and a promise for a long term starting next year or he flees next season somewhere else. I am happy either way, I think, althouigh the prospects for good and talented PF are slim. (I agree with several that C Webb will not be in a Rockets uniform next year, or anytime soon, no matter what.)
Maybe their math is as poor as most people here, wrt available cap space and number of roster positions. I don't know. here is some more math: With their current roster (not including Miller), Charlotte has 96 minutes per game to split among their 4/5s who average collectively 120 mpg last year. I think we as fans tend to suggest roster moves faster than we can figure out their feasibility. Sure Charlotte and their fans want to resign Miller, but in the end the Hornets have neither the roster spots or the minutes per game or the cap now or in the future to give to a bench player. Its a no brainer. They are bluffing. ------------------
Oeilpere, Let's assume for a moment that we are unable to get MO or Miller this year or Webber via free agency next year. Do you see any scenarios where teams needing to clear cap space, would be willing to dump players that would fill needs on the Rockets for next year when we'll have a good amount of cap space? I know that nobody wants to wait till next year, but if we could position ourselves to take on players through trades, rather than just free agency like the Clippers did with Orlando, wouldn't that make a lot of sense? If so, then what SF's, PF's, & backup centers might be available? ------------------
Would it really be that bad to get a 4/5 on the roster for $3-4 mill?? Let's remember that at this stage our backup C for next year is either Pig or Collier - Collier could use some seasoning (he'll probably be quite decent!) and having Pig as a backup isn't really an option unless you have a 40mpg center on your team. We still don't really have a 4 and 7 footer who can back up both C and PF will be fantastic!!! Sure, he might be unproven, but we've got to assume that Rudy knows his game after coaching him before.... ------------------
A Brad Miller thread that generates over 30 responses? We've certainly come a very long way from those heady days of Tim Duncan seriously considering the Rockets, haven't we? ------------------
If Brad Miller doesn't become a Rocket then we're about ready to start the Chucky Brown threads... his return to H-Town should spark a new found wave of enthusiasm amongst us supporters. ------------------
oeilpere, Everything in life has a price. What would be the price to obtain PJ? Mango ------------------ 1. Put new topics in the proper forum 2. Use clear wording for new threads 3. No duplicate threads 4. Conduct yourself as an adult The Serious Police are watching Donate Blood or be assimilated!
Mango we could just trade Mo for PJ oooppsss... sorry - didn't mean to try and get a laugh out of you ------------------ [This message has been edited by DrNuegebauer (edited August 23, 2000).]
That would be impossible in the near term because Mo couldn't be traded until December 15. Mango ------------------ 1. Put new topics in the proper forum 2. Use clear wording for new threads 3. No duplicate threads 4. Conduct yourself as an adult The Serious Police are watching Donate Blood or be assimilated!
You can be traded up to 60 hours after being received in a trade (or is that 48?) and then the waiting period kicks in. But I guess I just got told off... time to stop the nonsense. ------------------ 1. Put new topics in the proper forum 2. Use clear wording for new threads 3. No duplicate threads 4. Conduct yourself as an adult The Serious Police are watching [This message has been edited by DrNuegebauer (edited August 23, 2000).]
