Agreed. Bosh is not a max player. He would improve the team but not by much. We would still need a star player, so I pass.
We don't lose much with Scola compared to Bosh, it is true though that if Bosh was in Houston, he would be avg. more points , he just doesn't fit the Miami system,.. but im really glad with Scola.
Bosh can't lead a team anywhere, yet we were going to have to pay him max money.... WTF is the reasoning behind that? You get similar production out of Scola for half the price, the reason I was always against Bosh, and think it was nothing more than a marketing play by the organization, is that he would not make us appreciably better. He is just not a lead guy.....and IMO, if you are going to spend max money, that is what you should be looking for. Everyone has beat into the ground the need for an alpha dog or superstar player......to build around.....and if you are going to tie up that much cap room, that is what the team should be chasing for a max type of deal. Not a guy that put up gargantuan numbers on a crap team......you don't give those guys max contracts...they are Robins...we need a batman. DD
Amazing how a thread is dedicated to a guy who had no intention of coming here. In my opinion, Morey knew it too. But when Bosh gets his ring(s), the same bashers are going to be angry at Morey for not getting him here. BTW, Bosh is definately better than Scola.
Heres my problem with your reasoning. The Wade led Heat went nowhere, the Lebron led Cavs wen't nowhere. The Kobe led Lakers went nowhere. Its all about the supplimental pieces. Bosh never had a supplimental piece, so its not fair to judge him this way. This isn't about Scola vs Bosh, it was about Scola AND Bosh. It was definately NOT a marketing ploy. If it was a marketing ploy, why go after the third or fourth best free agent? It was all about FIT, Bosh fits this team perfectly. But we arent building around Bosh, the team is already built. We were completing the puzzle. Arrrrrgggg I so hate the batman and robin rhetoric, it doesnt make any sense. You have to assemble a team that FITS together. Was Webber a batman? Was Billups a batman? NO! But the teams were properly fit together and thus were successful! This is why the Heat are not good, because they don't fit. This is why the uber talented Nash, Stoudemire, Shaq Suns were not good, because they didnt fit. As a personal aside to you DD - Bosh isnt an alpha dog, Carmello isnt an alpha dog, but thats what was available. If you don'y want to spend money unless you get a Lebron or a Kobe you won't ever be competitive in this league.
They're completely different players. One's a pansy while the other's a pitbull. I'm glad we have the pitbull... Miami would kill for a guy like Scola right about now.
larsv8 FTW. DD, only an idiot wouldn't agree with your point that Luis Scola is a much better value than Chris Bosh. But just about any GM would also agree that Chris Bosh is a better basketball player than Scola. The Rockets worked their asses off trying to ensure that BOTH could be Rockets this season. It just didn't work out that way. The Rockets could have had easily the league's best frontcourt rotation this season with a healthy Yao, Bosh and Scola. Or they could still have one of the league's best with Bosh, Scola and an injured Yao. (But, yeah, DD, that was going to be a hell of a lot of money to spend on Bosh.)
I was thinking the same thing. It is almost certain that Bosh would have had more points if he played for Rockets, but how about other stats? Would Bosh have more rebounds and assists? I have to put a big question mark. And it is not a simple comparison between Bosh and Scola either. Rockets would have sent out Aaron Brooks or Martin together with Scola for Bosh. Would Bosh be enough to cover the scoring loss in the trade? Highly unlikely. Would Bosh make the defense better? Not really. Bosh's lack of defense is just as well known. Thank you Heats!
Not sure why you'd say this, though the passing part is accurate. First off, he's a different kind of player to begin with, Webber was more of a face up guy and was a ballhandler, and didn't really have the spot up high post jumper which Bosh nails at a ridiculous rate (60% or something like that). Second defense, Chris Webber was a great defensive player? Really? I don't recall that at all. He'd get the occasional block or steal due to his quickness, but I don't recall anybody ever saying "man that chris webber is locking people down out there". I also like how now Bosh is just arbitrarily labeled a bad defensive player on this board for no apparent reason - I'm not really sure where that one comes from, I guess experience of watching Luis Scola shut down opposing PF's? Nothing statistically has ever really showed Bosh to be a poor defensive player before or since, and the teams he plays on (Toronto or Miami) both get worse off defensively when he's off the court. The "bosh sucks on defense" trope seems basically like just a bunch of sour grapes as far as I can tell.
How many of those guys are even in the NBA right now? Kobe. Lebron. Durant. Wade. Paul. Williams? And how are we going to acquire any of those guys?
Last time I checked this thread is about how Bosh would fit with the Rockets. It's in the right forum.
Do you have evidence to support that? The only thing I ever heard in rumors was Scola going out in any trade for Bosh.
Its cuz SHAQ said Chris Bosh is teh "Rupaul of Big Men" LULZ (Shaq FTW!) Bosh probably had Miami or Big 3 team-up in his sight since 2008, so really the whole offseason courting was just formalities for everyone involved anyway.
Eh...fair point....I was just b****ing cause people seem to always underrate how good Webber really was.
Did we really want a skinny, self-professed jump-shooting big man?: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/sfl-miami-heat-chris-bosh-s120910,0,5017705.story The skinny on Heat's Chris Bosh: No weighty expectations By Ira Winderman South Florida Sun Sentinel 6:24 p.m. EST, December 9, 2010 SAN FRANCISCO At times, when he looks at video, Chris Bosh sees what fans see, a somewhat scrawny power forward trying to measure up against the muscled mass of other NBA power forwards. "I mean, I guard guys every day feeling like, 'I wish I was that big,' " he said during a break on this four-game Miami Heat trip that continues Friday against the Golden State Warriors. "But I'm not going to try to be something I'm not." The offseason free-agent acquisition tried that last season while with the Toronto Raptors, adding 20 pounds to his 6-foot-11 frame. He said he felt like he was wearing a fat suit. Text alerts: Get Miami Heat news on your phone "Most definitely," he said. "I wasn't moving as quickly. I pulled my hamstring. I felt like I lost part of my game." Bosh's game is quickness, jumpers, silkiness and slinkiness. The fat suit is gone. He is back around his listed 235 pounds, the scales on most nights tilted in the opposition's favor at his position. And that's fine, he said, because after trying to be something he is not, a weight has been lifted. "One thing I've learned, and you know I'm always learning things as I go along, you just be who you are," he said. "If I'm a jump-shooting big, just be a jump-shooting big. "I can help this team more by just playing my game. If I'm open with the jumper, I'm going to shoot it with no hesitation. I can shoot the basketball." The Heat have allowed Bosh to be himself in recent weeks, playing him solely at power forward since reserve power forward Udonis Haslem was lost with a severe foot injury. There has been an acceptance of the preference for finesse over force, for the jumper over jam, facing forwards instead of combating centers. "I know eventually the rebounding numbers are going to skyrocket," he said. "The percentages are going to stay the same. And points are going to go up. I know that. I know I'm going to play a lot better. It's just going to take time and hopefully it will happen sooner than later, but we're building every day and I'm doing the same thing." To those who haven't followed the rise from Georgia Tech to NBA All-Star, the portrait of Bosh, 26, is of an athlete who has bypassed the weight room. But if you think he is thin now, he was practically skeleton then. "I was 195 pounds when I was 18 years old and in less than 10 years, I've gained quite a few pounds, but it's been good weight," he said. During each step, from that lone season with the Yellowjackets to this past summer's nine-figure payoff, the objective has been to retain unique agility for a power player. "It's taken time," he said. "Things like that take time. It just can't happen in one year, two years. It takes time and if a guy's in his prime, 28, 29, 30 years old just being quick and strong, it doesn't happen overnight." Yes, he lifts. Yes, he perseveres. "I'm going to continue to work hard in the weight room," he said. "You have to work hard in the weight room in this game, you have to be strong. I'm going to work hard, get stronger every day and make sure I take care of my body." But, also, protect his gifts. There were moments last season, he said, where he would offer a pump fake, get his defender in the air, but find himself stuck in neutral when he wanted to attack the rim, thinking to himself, "I can't move like I used to." Now he's back on the move, albeit more likely to slip past his defender than bowl him over. "You have to be who you are," he said. "I work off mismatches. That's what I've always done." Ira Winderman can be reached at iwinderman@SunSentinel.com and can be followed at http://twitter.com/iraheatbeat.
Bosh? Defend? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Scola can't pass out out of double teams? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA! At least Scola gives it his all on D. What basketball games are you watching dude?
