A few paragraphs may be "War and Peace" if you're uneducated and usused to reading... Thanks for admitting that you didn't read it for real, and thus your rebuttal is formed of lazy BS. Second sentence: "Yes, he played horribly against the Celtics, there's no other way to describe it." Be sure to spam the board with repetitive hate threads next time T-Mac, our athletic "superstar" SG shoots 8-25. Which is far more likely to happen than Yao playing like he did against the Celtics again. Which is why, aside from his 7 game 2004-2005 season that ended in one of the longest suspensions in NBA history, Artest has broken 20 ppg in exactly ONE season over his 9 year career. Career rpg: 5.1. What? So why doesn't he do that more than occasionally, and against double/triple teams? And have it result in over 50% from the field (something Artest has NEVER averaged in any season), like it does for Yao? Is it because he can't? Are you going to support that in any way beyond a subjective "he's good at defense?" Can you measure the impact that Artest's defense has game after game, and show that it outweighs Yao's advantages? Please don't bring up him winning DPOY (voted subjectively with no requirement for the voters actually explaining their decisions) 4 years ago as "proof." I can easily bring up Yao's All-Star and All-NBA selections as "proof" that he's better. Career bpg: 0.6. What? Good for him. And Yao still shoots much, much better from the field (Artest 0.425 for his career). Yao is a lot more than just "competent" at FTs. Career apg: 3.1. Which is more than Yao (a freaking center), but hardly impressive for a star swingman. But he's a "willing" passer according to you, so that means he's good at it! Except he obviously can't. Hypothetical "If"s are for losers. I'm interested in what is. Okay. But in the interest of fairness please spam the board with ten T-Mac/Artest bashing threads on the same day. You're obviously not very good at this "debating" thing. I'm not going to even waste any more time with you.
You gotta be kidding me with your CSI breakdown of my post. Nice work, detective Raynor. Stats are great, but if you were to poll NBA experts of who was the more talented and all around talent between Yao and Artest, then my money says Artest. Who do you want defending the last play at the game against that player of the other team? Who do you want taking the last shot, Yao or Artest? I'm going with Artest. Artest still gets my vote, your entitled to your opinion. Oh throw all the stats you want, maybe we should keep "getting stuffed by the rim" or "getting outmuscled by a lesser player" stat also. If you're so concerned about the "what is", then "what" the hell "is" that game of the Celtics all about. And why has it happened manyy times against subpar players he's going against? These are all rhetorical comments cause I don't want to get into it with detective of the anal department Raynor either. And it wasn't a "debate" post, I was setting you straight. GMAC, go back to basketball 101, then you can answer my posts. You guys have got to be kidding me. Don't bother with the replies, cause I won't after this.
That would be 3 in 4 games, though to be fair, he was fouled on one of them. WTF is wrong with Yao?? Its not simply missing the dunk. Something is causing it, and I think everyone would like to know whats going on there.
Okay, I lied about not wasting any more time. This ignorance cannot go unanswered. Quoting you and responding to each of your points is a "CSI breakdown?" After you said that a few paragraphs was "War and Peace?" Everything you say exposes you as someone who is mentally lazy and uneducated. Are you that desperate that you're going to make up fictional no-name "experts" to rely on? Because Yao and Artest guard anything close to the same type of player. I'd rather use the "can't average over 20 ppg or 0.5 FG% in a season" stat. And so is Artest's 3-16 shooting. What? It obviously doesn't happen enough for Yao to average under 0.5 from the field in a season. Nice homophobic slur. You can't set anyone straight when you don't show the facts to back it up. That's something you learn in school. Are you a kid? Have you even gone to school?
Yes, it's "incompetent" to break down a post into its separate points so that what I say in response is more clear. In what parallel universe does that make sense? Do you even know the definition of incompetent? To people who aren't dumbasses, making assertions without bothering to back them up with real facts (or worse, fabricating "facts" such as v3.0's imaginary experts) is what's incompetent.
Where were the numerous "T-Mac needs to focus on learning how to shoot" or "T-Mac: The big scrub" or "Kobe Bryant is the best SG in the NBA" spam/troll threads? Are they around, to the extent of the ridiculous Yao bashing these past couple of days? People accept T-Mac's low 40s shooting averages while still proclaiming him as the team's MVP.
There's nothing that bothers me more than a poor performance in one game causing an incendiary "debate" on this board. People need to learn to be reasonable. It's an 82 game season. Everybody has a dog of a game every now and again. Yao happened to have his worst game in years against the defending champs and their historically good defense. Did he suck against the celtics? Yes! Is this a reason to debate about his merit as a player more generally? NO! It's one game, people. He played badly in this one, and he's played really, really well in some other ones. I know we all have to argue about something, but seriously, relax. This is pointless.
While I do think hes the MVP of this team that has nothing to do with it. I believe the reason some people are giving Tracy a pass for his shooting% is becasue we all know hes playing on one leg. And another thing hes attacking the basket so far this and hes hitting his FT's.
I don't think its all about the bad game he had. Its about Yao and the look on his face when he was blocked he looked like he wanted to go somewhere and cry and I think thats what getting to people on this board. Oh yea and the way he got blocked by the rim didn't help either.
You must be bored out of your mind. I lied too, I will have to reply to Chief Wiggum. I admit I was lazy in reading yours cause I thought it wasn't worth my time. Guess what, I still think that. Your a long winded blowhard, I have to admit. Are you kidding me? You're right, I shouldn't use the notion that I follow NBA more closely then you that I should assume bball experts will side with me. I'll just call you straight ignorant if you think Yao is a better all around player then Artest. It's simpler that way. Tell you what, I'll open up a poll after this. So what? The bottomline is still the bottomline, do you want Yao guarding that player for the last play or Artest? It's a simple question. What? That's because he wasn't the number 1 option on offense for most of his career. He played beside Reggie Miller and Jermaine O'neal in Indiana, and played with Kevin Martin and Bibby in Sactown. Yao on the other hand has been force fed the ball and been numero 1A for most of his career, especially when JVG took over. He had to guard Paul Pierce and Garnett at times. Yao? Freakin Perkins and Big Baby? WHAT?! It shouldn't. He shoots most of the time 5 feet away from basket or closer with guys 5 inches or shorter. But he misses them, and missing bunnies and dunks will get a few comments. What? Anal was used in the anal retentive sense, since education is a sticking point with you. Didn't mean to knock on your secret closet. My take is that I've wasted enough time with Professor Raynor. I admit I didn't put much into my first post cause I felt you didn't deserve it. Guess what? You're still a waste of time. I've given you more attention then you deserve. I'm checking out and heading to watch the game with friends. Go argue with Albert Einstain.
who is the big liability to the rockets? yao, or some unreasonable and illogical "fans" here? and jimraynor55, you rock. top quality posts. my hats off to you.
thats like saying Shaq without his size and strength will no be nothing, Lebron without his size, strength and atleticism will be nothing. that theory applies buddy. how many guys 7"3 and up has the skills of yao? almost all the other ones are nothing but shot blockers.
rockets are still the top 3 team in the west, its just one lose and you fools are jumping off the bandwagon. its not how u start its how u finish the season, remember the rockets only lost by 4 points despite 3 of the starters played horrible, and battier is not back yet. im not even worried about this lose, WE PLAYED THE NBA CHAMPS. we were the UNDERDOGS.
I just don't get it. I mean it really depends on the player who makes the last play. Of course if it's Kobe then why would we put Yao on him? But say it will be Gasol who'll make the last play, would you put Artest or Yao on him?
