I'd say tinman has over half of the posts in this worthless little thread he has made. And about 98% of those posts are nothing more than insults towards people who have different opinions that himself.
Another attempted insult. Thanks for proving my point and contributing nothing to this forum, despite having a whopping 17,000 posts! Somebody give this troll an award.
Our offense blows....we need to set some double screens or something....we are making shots on pure talent and ability, noone gets wide open shots except for Rafer's 3s. We need someone to move without the ball and run around screens to spot up for shots like what Ray Allen did to us all game.
lets not worry too much...its the beginning of the season one lost and you fools are jumping off the bandwagon already... 3 of our starters played BADLY but we still only lost by 4 points. already had a good game offensively but Defensively he was WORSE than yao, mcgrady right now CANNOT GUARD ANYONE. allen just ate him up in the 4th quarter, thats why we need battier back. but its ok mcgrady will get back in shape as the season goes along. Ps. the celtics centers had a lot of easy buckets and dunks because yao had to come over to help out with guards because our perimeter defense again was horrible again. (aka whoever mcgradys guards)
Yao is playing his 4th game back from a broken foot. I know he played in the olympics and pre season but really thats a pretty serious injury to come back from. I dont consider the olympics and pre season a true test because he could pace himself so he wouldn't injure himself. Its natural for his shot to be a little off he is not in the same condition he was when he went down in the spring. Its way too early to be concerned.
Right now tmac is a bigger liability on defense...and its just sad...when Yao carries the team you'll like completely root him on...he dominated the first 3 games especially against Dallas...but he has one bad game...and immediately ppl start critizing him. Its just sad...
i don't think people are criticizing him just b/c he had a bad game (who doesn't). i think the disturbing thing was how yao "wilted" after he got blocked by perkins. you can see how he lost his confidence out there and looked "scared." it's fine to have a bad game, but don't "wilt" out there and make yourself look 5'6 rather than 7'6.
Rocket don't have franchise player. Yao/Tmac will be good number two in any team but not NO 1. How funny they always talk leadership, toughness, etc, etc. So in a lose like this, fans are confused/in denial and eager to put liability mark on players.
So Yao sucked big time on this game, but how so many of you forget about his plays from last season match up. I believe he single handedly fouled out all their bigs and almost won the game minus Landry, Artest and Mcgrady. The dude will be alright, it is just his 3rd game coming back from a serious foot injury. Wait until Jan 7.
All the hair pulling won't change the fact that T-Ming is going to be given at least one more chance before ownership tears down the team, so save your hysteria until it will make a difference.
The bashing that Yao has been getting on this board is disgusting. Yes, he played horribly against the Celtics, there's no other way to describe it. But way to pile on the guy on what is literally one of the worst games of his career, which despite your b*tching has been an All-Star one. Other NBA fan forums support and defend their players. For instance, you can't criticize Kobe (rightfully or wrongly) on some of the big Lakers forums without receiving a massive backlash from the fans there. While I think illogical homer apologism is idiotic, people here have gone to the opposite extreme: homer bashing of their own star player. And all the people saying Yao needs to learn how to play defense and rebound...yeah, he could really put in a great defensive effort when he got taken out of the 1st quarter with two quick fouls, and removed from the 2nd quarter with one more foul. The way NBA coaches operate, one more foul would have completely removed him from the 3rd quarter. Yao has been an anchor on one of the best defensive teams in the league for years. And while he's no Marcus Camby or Tim Duncan, the stats show that he has routinely outrebounded the opposition. I remember Yao having a mere two bad games early last season, launching a dozen gloom and doom threads here on Clutchfans. Yao came back with a monster game and the whiners quickly STFU. Can you guys stop the Chicken Little posts? EVERY star on EVERY team has his horrible off-games. The Celtics' big three has had a number of lousy-ass shotting games already, and got blown out by the freaking Pacers. OUR other stars have played like crap. Ron Artest already has 3-12 and 3-16 shooting games to his "credit" so far in this young season. T-Mac has shot above 40% in precisely ONE game so far. From the last few seasons, we really can't expect him to average more than 40-42% for a season now. He ROUTINELY shoots like crap. Where are the numerous Ron Artest and T-Mac hate threads? Why is Tracy allowed to average what he averages, without anyone ever questioning the "fact" that he's the team's best player? In the last two seasons Yao has not only scored more per game than T-Mac has, but has shot at a FAR better efficiency. But I'm not here to stir up a fight between Yao, Tracy, and Artest supporters. ALL THREE of them are very good players, and it would be ridiculous to single out their horrible games (i.e. outliers) and bash them the way Yao has been bashed. I'm just so sick of it. You know what, just come out and admit it. You guys don't respect Yao. I'd hate to play the race card, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's prejudice. Maybe it's because Yao is Chinese, or not an American who acts like a typical American player. Maybe it's Yao's size or position on the court, or his playing style which doesn't involve flashy showboat dunks and chest-pounding. Whatever it is, Yao is scrutinized and bashed to an unfair degree. Yesterday, I read a post on this board saying "Yao is just not good at basketball, physically or mentally." Excuse me, but WTF? Obviously Yao does have something that makes him good at basketball, or else he wouldn't average 20 and 10 with 2 blocks while shooting 50% from the field. I mean, you guys KNOW Yao is a better player than Artest is. It's undeniable. Yet I feel you guys respect players like T-Mac and Artest a lot more and are slower to bash them on their off nights (which happen a LOT more than it does to Yao, statistically Yao is quite consistent). Is it because Yao is the wrong player TYPE, not black or small or flashy or athletic? Yao has your support only so far as his last good game. One bad game and you guys all piss and crap on him.
I'm not even going to bother reading that War and Peace novel. From skimming it seems like an apologist for Yao. Couple of points though: 1. It doesn't matter what color Yao is. I could freakin care less if he was polka dot. If he does piss poor and it's not just a one time thing then damn right the rockets fans should voice their displeasure. Getting repeatedly pwned by the rim, getting pwnd by some chump named Kendrick Perkins, getting outrebounded and outmuscled is not something we can say anymore "Oh well, there's always next game". Especially if we are suppose to be title contenders and going against the defending champs. Maybe we are spoiled by watching a GOAT dominate the NBA for the 80's and 90's on our team. I'll admit to that. You never saw Hakeem display r****ded showmanship like Garnett, but he kicked ass night in and night out and CRAVED for big games like the Celtics game. 2. Artest IS a better player then Yao, more talented and more well rounded. Artest can do all the things Yao does and then some. Rebound, post up, defend (in fact Artest is a better defender), block shot, outside shooting, competent FT shooter, willing passer, you name it Artest can do just like Yao and some better. In fact the only reason Yao dominates his opponents alot is because he's taller and bigger then his peers. Otherwise, if he was just 6'9 he'd prolly have about the same impact as Yi Jianlian, not much. What I'm sick and tired of are people coming with excuses for Yao. If he plays piss poor then he deserves the criticism. End of Story.
And ONE MORE thing. If you're going to make this about Yao vs Artest, why aren't you complaining about Artest's 3-16 shooting night against the defending champs? I thought every game mattered. Why isn't everybody "voicing their displeasure" with his pathetic performance? Why does Yao get thrown under the bus everytime he fails to perform and Artest and McGrady get free passes when they lay bricks? There's a double standard when it comes to Yao Ming. If people are going to bash Yao Ming they way they do, then others are going to defend him they way they do. That's why Rocket "fans" create separation and segregation amongst themselves. There's a group that generally dislikes him for one reason or another and because of this, there's a group that will defend him to the ends of the earth.
