The best superstar currently playing who cannot get calls?

thanks a lot...you just turned this innocent, albeit, silly realgm.com thread into a 200 post flame war.

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just let it go....don't do it.

 

mmmmkay......

 

The Refs on average miss (do not call every game) about 20 fouls committed against Yao Ming . All the wrestling that goes on should be called every game!!!

 

yao does get more calls than usual.....b-u-t...he also gets a lot of bad calls

EX: the one against birdman which was a clear block, and sometimes when he sets a pick and the guy just runs into him...he gets a foul called..

 

why do people keep saying this? he's shooting less FT's per game than he has the last 3 years.

I think, for the most part, it's pretty fair on Yao on the defensive end. When he does go straight up, he isn't called for the foul, but when he bodies somebody at an angle or reaches, he is. There are some misses, but for the most part, ok.

But on the offensive end, it is clearly Yao.

He is fouled, by the rules, literally every play. First, you are not allowed to defend someone in the post with 2 hands. Post defenders have to use 1 hand, in the typical bent at the elbow position (as opposed to flat palmed pushing in the back). Yao is fouled in this way basically everytime he posts up. This call is missed for a lot of big men, but Yao more than anyone. Interestingly, when a guard posts-up sporadically, the ref is more likely to make this call. You know when the guard fakes a cut through the lane and halfway through turns around to post, the defender will typically do the two hand push out at first and get called for a foul - whereas again, this happens every play for big men and is rarely called. It makes little sense.

Second, Yao is fouled +/-50% of the time when he is doubled or tripled. Defenders know they can probably strip the ball from Yao easier then other big-men with larger hands, so they slap. 50% of the time, it's a fair steal, but the rest...well, the proof as Bill Worrell likes to mention regularly, is on his arms.

Finally, Yao does actually get bumped and pushed a lot on his moves and shots.

My theory for why Yao is called so poorly is the obvious - because he is slower. Everything he does is slower. Ironically, you would think, that should make it easier to call the fouls. But the way the league is as a whole, and the way referee's ref the game in particular, they are so ingrained to look for those fast plays where there is a quick slap, a quick bump or push and quickly blow that whistle and throw their arm int he air..."FOUL!". Whereas Yao effectively lulls them to sleep. "Whoops, there was a bump, ah no big deal, he's slowly making his way into the lane...snore".

Without a doubt, if Yao and Dwight were to both post up in the same spot, both make the same fake and move towards the center of the lane for a hook, and both were bumped by the defender slightly off their move, Dwight would get the call way more often than Yao. Not just because Dwight is a hype machine. But because Dwight would do it so much faster and quicker.

In Dwight's defense, he probably is also fouled a lot more than he gets called on him, too, by the books.

In the NBA, in relation to actual times they are fouled, Stars typically get correctly called the most, then after, by position, it typically works from smaller and faster to lager and slower.

But the worst of all are the mind-blowingly stupid calls you see (benefiting/hurting both teams) at least 5 or 6 times a game. The free throw box out call on Luis Scola in the Nuggets game the other night was the perfect example. Basically, Luis just walks into the lane being boxed out by someone on the Nuggets, the free throw is missed, but clanks off the back, goes over the Nuggets player's head, Luis sticks his hand up and touches the ball and is called for a foul. No contact, nothing. Other examples are the "how did that referee make that call" scenarios, where there is at least one ref, very very close to the action, with the much much much better angle, and the outside ref, 30 feet away, makes the call. What?

The NBA and other sports people always say it's the hardest sport to referee. Hogwash. It's obviously been impacted by gambling, so while I don't believe that is rampant, it obviously existed and could still. The rulebook and the actual calls on the court don't mesh. I know this isn't the only sport where this is the case, but it is far and away the worst offenders. If you don't want to call the game "by the book" because it would result in too many foul calls, then change the rule book - at least that way players, coaches and fans at least know going in that the rules are the way they are. It is influenced by star players and veterans vs. rookies - a foul is a foul, it shouldn't matter who the player is. Or when in the game it occurs. If someone is fouled on the last play of the game, call it. Even if it is just a bump foul - you called it earlier in the game, call it now. It's complicated by stupid rules. The charge circle - has anyone ever liked that? Why was it even put in? If it is so difficult to call, take it out? A charge should be a charge, anywhere on the court.

If it is still too difficult to ref, add another ref (or two) for each game. NBA refs should only call a foul when they see it. Have more refs and tell them this is absolutely entirely the rule. Don't make calls that you think you can see. Call a foul if you see it, call nothing otherwise. Get a guy whose sole job is to watch the 3 second lane if you have to. Etc, etc., etc.

Sorry for the rant, but I think at times, the referees really do ruin the game. Especially considering there are difficult calls to make in other major sports and they are so consistently better at doing it.

 

Yao is not a Superstar.

 

Really....?

 

yes really. He is a good player and an all star but a superstar... NO


There only a few superstars in the league and Yao is not one of them. Its not a knock on Yao cause he is a good player.

 

that's a flagrant ready to be called right there + a 2 game suspension
no one loves goliath

 

Pure ignorance. No need to feed him, I just feel sad for him that he thinks that way.

 

Yao by a mile.
But to be fair, it's just the center position.
Back the old days, there were a lot of stuff people couldn't to a center. Shaq changed all that.
If Yao played in Hakeem's era, what his number would be? Just saying ...

 

Name your superstars.

Who's your superstar at center position?

 

Yeah, about the two hands rule, I am really confused, because Yao gets pushed by his opponent with two hands 70-80% of time, esp when he is one on one, and they are not called. So this led me to believe the hands rule are there to protect smaller players.
Nobody, well maybe Shaq, could push Yao out just with a elbow when Yao makes a power move with one dribble.
I wonder that rule is called same against other centers in the league. I did see Shaq get the same treatment as Yao, but when Shaq was 4 hands couldn't stop him.

 

Yao, and Tmac. I heard the rox's TV guys complained all the time during the game, and some fans also called in on the 610 for the argument. Do not know why, just say what I saw.

 

That is another thing that pisses me off. If you cut the calls Manu to half, you would wonder he still be this good. But well he kinda prove himself in international games, so maybe he is good.

Anyways, Yao standing still gets called blocking when the smaller guy just flying into him, and a lot of times he is out of the restricted area. I think ref blows whistle based on the result of the accident, and the smaller guys always look getting worse end of accident. That just freaking pisses me off. Remember that Olando game last year, Yao just stood there, no moving, maybe just stuck his azz out for a small degree, he was called blocking on D.Howard!

 

There is no Superstar at the center position.
The last one was Shaq but his superstar days have been over for a while now.

 

Ok, fair.

Just checking if you are biased.

 

Bill and Clyde,even Matt sometimes,shouted out loud to complain about the fouls not being called by the officials.

T-Mac drove to the paint hard and got the contact,even sometimes been hammered by the opponents,got no calls most of time.WTF?How come other players pulled up a J with a slight touch by the defender on his hand then the refs blew the whistle?

I should say both T-Mac and Yao have been treated unfair by the refs.