Nixon???? smart? Trying to cover up Watergate is one thing...but Intentionally making tape recordings of conversations in the White House that points to his guilt sounds pretty boneheaded to me [This message has been edited by ChenZhen (edited January 12, 2001).]
Im still trying to figure out where i said slavery was ok!??? Yes, there were owners that did treat their slaves wrong and beat them and what not, but most of them treated them like property (I don't go around beating and destroying my propery ... and the slaves were certainly not cheap) I was pretty much saying that there are people now, and then, that were treated much more harshly and have it much more worse. ------------------ its all good and fun till someone gets hurt ... then its absolutely hilarious!
One question,How does today's definition of racism apply to a time and a people who generally accepted if not practiced slavery.It's two different times with two very different set of morals,I just don't believe calling someone from that time period a racist.AfricanAmericans were generally looked on as no better than animals so judging people by today's standard of racism is not applicable.It was a different time with very different views.Don't misunderstand me,slavery and racism are inheritly wrong. [This message has been edited by Summer Song Giver (edited January 13, 2001).] [This message has been edited by Summer Song Giver (edited January 13, 2001).]
The Soviet Union did not pull out of the war early. Hitler killed himself when Russian forces were entering Berlin from the east. ------------------
i see now where our confusion occurs dc, because the soviet union was not engaged in war with japan, that's why they weren't fighting after germany surrendered. When I said the soviet union was more important to winning the war, I was referring to the war in europe, because obviously the u.s. won in the pacific with little to no help from anyone else. ------------------
dc, i was only referring to the war in europe because the original statement i was refuting was, by The Voice of Reason, that FDR saved the world from a tyrant (hitler, i guessed). When the Soviet Union was more responsible for the defeat of Germany. I know that the U.S. single handedly won the war against japan, but that was in no way related to the tyrant. ------------------
the war didnt end until truman droped the bomb on hiroshima and nagasaki, and by then russia was long gone. ------------------
If it was up to the great Patton, we would have marched clear through Russia as well! Under his command of the legendary 3rd Army, we could have owned all of Europe. ------------------ Sometimes you gotta do the next best thing!
No one suggested that you thought it was ok, but you are still trying to compare and contrast it to people starving in Africa which is just bizarre. One is the forced servitude of a race of people. The other is a result of overcrowding and poor living conditions. Are they both suffering? Absolutely. The issue here isn't the degree of suffering. Like I said, I'm not sure which history books you read but I consider bringing hundreds of slaves over from Africa in boats so crowded that many died during the trip suffering. I consider breaking up families so the father and son can work in the fields under the whip of the slavemaster, the mother can work in the "big house" to nanny the kids and be mistress to the owner she hates and the daughter can be sold as a prostitute to be suffering. Thousands upon thousands of slaves were tortured and murdered by slave owners. Many of the female slaves were not just beaten but raped. Families were forcibly broken up. Children were sent to pick cotton in the fields until their hands bled. Am I missing something? I think your casual attitude towards the subject is what shocked us. Oh, and by the way, just because you are sold by your countrymen doesn't mean coming here isn't a forced migration. Being paraded around in front of crowds nearly naked (both men and women) and sold like a car is cruel, inhumane and terrifying. I don't disagree that people are still suffering. But, trying to ease the disgrace by saying it isn't as bad as some people have it is probably the wrong way to go about it. ------------------ I am very very sleepy.
Well put Jeff. Let's not be blind to the fact that <a href="http://www.cnn.com/US/9902/26/slavery.01/">slavery still exists</a> and <a href="http://www.anti-slavery.org/global/index.html">there are 27 million slaves</a> right now . . . more than in the history of the world. ------------------ "Any answer that can't be questioned is no answer at all. It's gibberish. It's the jabbering of startled monkeys flinging dung at the moon" -- Scott Christensen -- www.ewav.com
ok first of all let me remind you aboutthe lend lease program as well as our blocade runners which helped Great Britan survive long evough to be any factor in the war other than another Poland/France. That assistance made it so not only could GB survive, but also form offensives in the air. It was those offensives(read bobming raids) that destroyed germanys oil supply. no gas NO TANKS NO GERMAN DOMINANCE!!! there is also something else that deserves attention. THE INVASION OF NORMANDY. HELLO those were American soldiars pouring onto French beaches dying for a country(countries) that they have never even seen before. they were dying for Europes problem. and make NO mistake that the success of the invasion won the war in europe. the only reason the russians could advance was because the germans fell back, and tried to defend their western front(france). once the russians realized that they could advance, and that the Americans wsere being made into heros in every liberated town, russian leaders ordered an attack as a PR move. they needed something in order to be involved in peace talks, and to get a peice of the pie after the war. the germans barely made a real offensive, they just kind of defended themselves, than followed the germans back to berlin. ok and since according to your assesment to my use of the word tyrant you would assume that I was only talking about hitler. there were several tyrants. musalini (sp), hirihito, hitler whoever, but since the War that FDR won was also fought in the pacific. Im sure the US saved mots of the world. it is for these acts that made FDR the greatest president of all time. and he did this while america was attempting to maintain its isolationism, and kept the people happy. Disclaimer: all the views are a little bit Amerocentric. the statements above were typed in an inflamatory manner as to have maximum effect on your post count. thank you and PEACE ------------------ Hanta-Force Paintball http://www.hanta-force.com
Would you guys like me more if I were president? Cause I'll do it if it will make you happy. ------------------ Ceo of the Walt Williams fan club. Web site coming soon atheistalliance.org
I can see your point, and I'm not trying to say that the U.S. did not have a large impact on the war, I'm just saying that Russia was the country that defeated Germany and I figured that Hitler was the tyrant you were referring to since he is the most famous of them for having plans of world domination. ------------------
