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The Beginning of the End for Obama

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by El_Conquistador, Apr 29, 2007.

  1. weslinder

    weslinder Member

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    I honestly don't know. I think it'll depend on who the candidates are. But a lot of good, relatively popular Republican Congressmen lost because of Bush and the Republican leadership in Congress.
     
  2. mc mark

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    Come on weslinder

    The republican base is still looking for a 08 candidate.
     
  3. weslinder

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    I found him: http://www.ronpaul2008.com/. It's time to get some competent leadership in office.
     
  4. thegary

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    there are consequences to blind loyalty and partisan politics.
     
  5. Sishir Chang

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    Bush is going to be an issue for 2008 even though he's not going to be on the ticket. Its going to be very hard for the Republican nominee to divorce himself from Bush completely and still hope to maintain enough party support to win the nomination.
     
  6. mc mark

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    No disagreement there.
     
  7. weslinder

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    I don't want to start a new thread about it, but the Times has a great article about Obama's conversion, religious beliefs, and how it affects his politics. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/u...c0ddd2f78514b&ex=1178510400&partner=TOPIXNEWS The more I read about Obama, the more I genuinely like him. If his domestic politics weren't so liberal (or progressive, as the cool kids are calling it), I'd definitely support him.
     
  8. peleincubus

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    i understand what your saying. but then i assume you support someone like bush but then cant because of some of the issues that obama stands for. its a tough road
     
  9. Deckard

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    I was disappointed in Obama's performance in the debate. He needs to work on that.




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  10. weslinder

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    I don't support someone like Bush. Well, if someone makes the same promises to me that Bush did in 2000, I would support them. It's just that Bush is far from what he promised.
     
  11. GladiatoRowdy

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    I agree and would probably vote for him, but he is WAY too libertarian to get the GOP nomination.
     
  12. weslinder

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    Oh, I know. But I can dream, can't I? The traditional conservative candidate that I like is Huckabee. I would consider voting for Romney. But if one of those or Bill Richardson isn't nominated, I'm voting 3rd party.
     
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    Ugh. So now the groups who tried to buy influence by bribing Bush are jumping ship and placing their bets with the next candidates. Campaign 'donations' need to be done away with entirely.
     
  14. Deckard

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    Good luck! I hope the Democratic Party nominates someone who can get your vote. Heck, I hope they nominate someone that I like, and I'm a Democrat. I sure didn't like Kerry, and didn't vote for him in the primaries, but I still think he would have been a big improvement over Junior. Believe me, I understand your frustration. Americans are crying out for change (look at the results of the '06 elections), are fed up with Bush and his party (ditto, and look at the polls), and merely need a Democratic candidate who isn't perceived as another Kerry or Bush to elect a Democratic President. If there was ever an election that is there for the taking for the Democratic Party, it's the next one.

    I'll never underestimate the ability of my party to screw things up, however.



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  15. adoo

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    an incompetent, yet arrogant, politician who has been in over his head, whose initials are gwb, or dubya
     
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    Ron Paul is honest. He is extremely misguided on economic issues, which are important too.

    He has my admiration, though he is so misguided on economics.
     
  17. glynch

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    I did not see it. I respedt your word on this.

    I trust Edwards more. I think he has been unleashed by his last defeat. Obama is still playing it too safe. His cautiousness may negate his money and obvious appeal.

    As Bush showed, inexperience per se is not a bar. Comparing Bush to Obama in most other aspects an insult to Obama.
     
  18. Deckard

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    The format worked against him. They were limited to 1 minute replies, and Obama likes to "build up" to an answer, sort of paint in the background before doing the subject on the canvas. He looked a bit indecisive simply because he didn't always use that minute well.



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  19. hotballa

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    Obama's campaign of all people should know that this is a society that wants answers up to the minute without any fluff.
     
  20. mc mark

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    But he also understands nuisance and can appreciate both sides of an argument. Something extremely lacking in today's discourse.
     

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