A good trade but I do not see the Hawks agreeing to this. They need Johnson's offense more then Shane's defense.
I know I'm gonna get grief for my tirade that is about to ensue, so i will stipulate in advance that Stephen Jackson is a self made man who scratched and clawed his way into the league after being a second round pick and cut several times before sticking and has not been given anything (except for a really bad contract) and has had an inspiring career. I wish him and his family nothing but the best. That being said, now to BoB : Obviously been more successful? Seriously? You got the gall to kick start an argument against baseless claims and the best you can do is "Obviously Jackson's been more successful"? I bet in your day job you work for the Clippers, tell Donald Sterling I said he's doing a great job and he should bring back Elgin Baylor. What is your measuring stick for success? Even if he wasn't a DBag, which by all accounts he is, when a guy chunks up 17 shots a game on team that lost 65% their games the last 2 years after Indiana got tired of his act, how do you deem that successful? Because he was a part time starter and rode the coat tails of Duncan, Parker and Ginobili 6 years ago? He was only 24 when he won his championship and you see how the Spurs, which by most accounts have one of the best run organization in the NBA the last 10+ years (God I hate the Spurs) thought he was a part of their future? They let his a$$ walk, 5 teams in 9 years. There's a reason. His contract is an albatross, its so bad that if you offered Don Nelson a trade of Cook, Barry and a bag of Funions, he'd jump on it so fast he'd probably toss your <DELETED>. I respect the hell of out of Battier, but don't LOVE him like the bromance some poeple in these waters do. I think his value is greater now that it will ever be and he should be traded while we can, but STEPHEN FRIGGIN JACKSON? (Don't get me started on the genius who suggested a we give a 1st round pick in the deal too) Just because when you go through your Fleer trading card collection and look on the back of his card and it says he's from Houston, doesn't mean its a good idea. I'm not saying one player is more successful than the other, one guy is a better scorer and one is a better defender. Neither guy should be starting on a playoff team. Either way if one of these guys is the best player your team, that team is totally <deleted>. I'm all for reloading rather than rebuilding, but if your gonna take on 4 year, 8-10 mil per cap killer deal, at least do it on a guy is 25, not 31 and acts 13. For a guy who has a history of poppin caps outside of strip clubs, do you really think Houston is the right place for him, we have strip clubs on every corner. If Stephen friggin Jackson is the best we can wheel and deal, I'd rather keep captain money ball and watch Ariza chunk up 17 shots a game. For you 3rd graders and Clipper employee's: ti⋅rade [tahy-reyd, tahy-reyd] –noun 1. a prolonged outburst of bitter, outspoken denunciation:
yeah no ones gonna trade an allstar for shane battier. thats just the reality. shane isn't worth as much as all the recent hype surrounding him. one trade I'd LOVE to do is: Sign and trade marvin williams for Shane battier?
I cant read chinese well but apparently they saying:"after the hot heating up rumors of the rockets-blazers-kings trade rumors that has been heating up around nba circles not progressing much, another piece of trade rumor has been leaked by insiders with the knowledge of the deal being proposed. Houston trades: Shane Battier, Luis Scola, Kyle Lowry Washington trades: JaVale McGee, Nick Young, Javaris Crittenton and Mike James and a pick.
I meant "obviously more successful" in the same way that people say Battier is "obviously more successful" than Rudy Gay. Or is that not the case anymore...? People like to say "Come on, what have the Grizzlies accomplished with Gay?", and then claim Battier is more successful and more of a "winner". I'm just wondering if there's any consistency to their logic. If there is, then surely Jackson's more successful and more of a winner than Battier, since his teams have accomplished far more than Battier's. "Player A is a harder worker than Player B" = Baseless claim "Player A has accomplished more in terms of team success than Player B" = Not baseless I'm fine with people saying Jackson didn't have that much to do with his teams' success. Hell, I don't even really want him. Certainly not at the expense of a 1st round pick. It just pisses me off when those same people turn around and say "I don't care how good you think Rudy Gay (or whoever) is, Battier is clearly better because his teams have won more." Once again, I'M NOT ADVOCATING MAKING A TRADE FOR STEPHEN JACKSON. I'm simply making a point about the double standards around here. Instead of telling me why we shouldn't trade Battier for Jackson, I want people to tell me why Battier is more of a winner than Gay, but Jackson isn't more of a winner than Battier. Shane's a lot closer to Rudy in terms of team success than he is to Jackson...
LOL. I just came up with that trade proposal, without reading it anywhere, and proposed it on here and another website. That is too funny. Is it a given that that's where they got it from? Or is it possible it really was "leaked by insiders with the knowledge of the deal being proposed"?
i dont want to trade a top 5 defender for any of these guys id much rather get a allstar caliber player in return
Fair enough, I'll agree not to disagree with 80% of what you said, but you lost me with this analogy: So by this standard Sasha Vujacic and Luke Walton have accomplished more in terms of team success than Lebron James because the last years they have two trips to the finals and one ring? You think Cleveland would take that trade? They're gonna lose LB anyway. . . I wonder how many people in the Cav's forums are proposing this very trade since Luke and Sasha have accomplished more team success than LB to date? Hell, I bet they'll even hang out after a loss and shake hands.
McGee is a freak of nature but we're giving up too much right there, would be sweet if we can snag McGee for Landry + Fillers. <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/opcT9pVQQpQ&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/opcT9pVQQpQ&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> I don't follow the Wiz but why doesn't this guy get more playtime?
I don't disagree with you, (although I don't remember Shane making 1st team NBA all defensive team that would indicate a top 5 defender) but Shane is has never been an elite level athlete and only has a year or two left of keeping up with the leagues quicker 2's and 3's. He's on the wrong side of 30 and while that is not old per say, he takes a pounding night in and night out and I see him losing a step in the next year or two and we won't be in contention this year. His value will never be greater than he is right now. I say we reload with youth and potential and take our lumps this year and let the kids play. Don't rush Yao back, let him heal. If TWac comes back we shine that turd until the trading deadline and see what we can get. Just my 3 cents
lol. LOL. Man I just realised. I was wondering man, it was strange to see like the trade rumor propsed on that sina site being exactly the same as yours EXACTLY THE SAME. I thought either you copied it straight from Sina without acknowledging it or it was extreme coincidence. Never thought fan posts on Clutchfans would be thought as legit insider sources when it came to gathering trade rumors. Guess the Rockets offseason is sooo boring sina must have just gone onto this thread and just randomly picked out any trade that has not been suggested 100 times cos other wise whos going to read the same old battier for fernandez rockets against blazers trade rumors... You should be happy your harmless trade proposal on this harmless thread got nearly 7000 comments on sina...if only those people knew that the "rumor" was simply started by some average poster on a fansite... on that article, it also goes: "according to the source, the rockets have had endless talks with the wizards. From the early beginnings of negotiations simply for draft picks all the way to the above trade proposal, maybe perhaps one day you wake up in the morning, it all suddenly just have happend just like that. After all, like all trades, the most interesting part about them is how unpredictable they happen.
Alright, I thought I was being clear but I guess I'll rephrase that. "Player A is a harder worker than Player B" = Baseless claim "Player A has advanced further in the playoffs than Player B ever has" = Not baseless Or "Player A has won a championship (as the 3rd leading scorer for his team in the playoffs), and Player B has not = Not baseless And yes, by that standard Vujacic and Walton have accomplished more in terms of team success than Lebron. But that doesn't mean they're better players or do more to help their team win. It's the same thing with Battier/Gay, and Jackson/Battier. I think we should just stop branding people winners and losers to begin with, and instead talk about what specific (tangible) things they bring to the team.
Landry makes more than McGee.....so like we gotta take back a bad contract as a filler or something or maybe we have to send back a pick or some cheap young talent like joey dorsey...although I think landry and mcgee are worth about the same value wise...(but we need mcgee more as he can play centre much better than landry) oh and mcgee was also invited to participate in the team USA basketball minicamp this summer along with kevin durant, rudy gay, derrick rose etc...and aaron brooks and carl wasn't even invited. I guess that shows mcgee has much great potential than either of those two young guns that we hav got. lol if anyone dont know javale mcgee already you gotta check owt this sick vid of YAO VS MCGEE <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/dR_RI9cB4Mc&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/dR_RI9cB4Mc&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
Actually, i'm thinking of trading w/ the Wizards since a few days ago 'coz that team has lots of big men...dunno what Morey can offer to them.
Charlotte gets Shane Battier Brian Cook Houston gets Boris Diaw Outside of Diaw's contract (3yrs.-18mil/9per yr.),Diaw seems to be a Morey type player. He can defend multiple positions, above average ball handling and passing skills for his size, can score inside and out. Considering we have to send out more players than we can take back in a trade to get us back to 15, I think this would be a good trade.
Are you asking me where he plays right now? (Charlotte Bobcats) or where he would play for the Rockets in my proposed trade? (S/F) C-Andersen/Hayes/Dorsey PF-Scola/Landry/Mensah-Bonsu SF-Diaw/Budinger SG-Ariza/Taylor/Barry PG-Brooks/Lowry Injured Players-Yao/McGrady
