Jackson is in his prime and just led the league in mpg. His contract is a value vis-a-vis his skillset. Lol @ headcase...why don't you talk about how he was a key component of the Spurs championship team in 2003 and how he helped Golden State to their legendary victory over the 67 win Dallas Mavericks team in the first round of the playoffs? He's a guy who gives you good offense, good defense, and clutch play. "Criticizing" trade proposals are not for you.
I'll go slow for you: You want to trade a first round pick that will likely be a lottery pick and Shane Battier for Stephen Jackson. Right? * Stephen Jackson is 31. Leading the league in minutes is a good thing at his age? You may as well tell me what a wonderful cook he is. That at least won't undermine your argument. * He's a streaky shooter (his career high is 44% and that was in 2006-7) and generally shoots in the low 40's. How many pull up threes on the fastbreak do you want in your life? * He's a poor rebounder (for example, in 2008 he was 61st out of the 63 small forwards in rebounding rate in the NBA). * He had a career year last year on an up tempo lottery team. Remember how awesome Mike James was with Toronto? It's easy to put up numbers for a Don Nelson team that was out of the playoffs race in January. * He is grossly overpaid. Check this out, Kwame: Jackson will be paid $7,650,000 next year, $8,450,000 for 2010-11, $9,260,000 for 2011-12 and $10,060,000 for 2012-13. Yeah. It's that bad. * Are you really going to bring up his pivotal role with the San Antonio Spurs from 2003? That's six years ago. You know who else was a badass on that team? Robert Horry. You want to trade Battier and a first rounder for him, too? Kwame, God bless you, but your proposal does not hold water. Even a lottery protected first rounder and Battier is a dumb trade for a player of Jackson's age and contract. Whatever flexibility the Rockets have after 2011would be destroyed by this trade. It's not like the salary cap will be getting any bigger, either.
First post so be gentle with the flames if this has been covered at nausea like every one of the 3 team trades involving Cook/Barry/case of Duff beer for LB and the Mamba, but could the Morey slow play be as simple as waiting until after September 25th, when their trade restriction on Carl Landry expires and they can trade Landry without his approval? Since we all love moronic trades that will never happen, here's mine: Rockets send Battier to Portland Rockets send lottery protected 1st round pick and cash considerations to Minnesota (for a point guard to be named later) Minnesota sends rights to Rubio to Houston Portland sends Outlaw to Minnesota Portland sends Fernandez to Houston We will still need a three player for one trade to make roster space before camp, but if your gonna suck for a season while you wait for Yao, at least we'd be fun to watch. We win 41 games, miss the playoffs by the virtue of some obscure tie breaker and win the John Wall lottery ball.
If this scenerio were to unfold , what would you do with Wall, if Rubio is already playing the point, play him at the 2, which one of the two would you built around, and if this were to happen that means we would go for Big in 2010 free agency http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=freeagents-09-10 .....2010/11 lineup Rubio- Brooks/Lowry Wall- Fernandez/Wafer(if sign this offseason) Ariza- Amir Johnson(2010 free agency)/Burdinger Bosh(2010 free agency)- Scola/Landry Yao- Pryzbilla(2010 free agency)/Andersen/Dorsey Players lost: McGrady, Hayes, White, Barry, Cook.... Strong at every position YEAH!, almost no chance of it happening, but still we would be sick.....
shows that you dont know about basketball. obviously portland is a contender looking for that veteran leader.
Okay, but i really doubt they would trade any of its POTENTIAL stars Oden(21),Roy(25),Aldridge(24) for Battier..... but that doesnt mean we couldnt get Fernandez, Webster and Outlaw for Battier, and some other player....
Again, you can't put a price on winner-ness. Jackson would provide the sort of winning experience that you just don't get from guys like Battier.
Care to list this winning experience, especially since Battier has a proven track record of making even junk teams decent? And if you're going to list that little run the Warriors made, let's just say that Jackson acted like a knucklehead throughout that run and that is what the Rockets don't need - we already got rid of a more entertaining knucklehead recently, after all.
Dude, with a salary cap in place you certainly can "put a price on winner-ness." It's debatable how much of a winner Jackson is, anyway. By your logic, the Rockets should back up a Brink's truck to Malik Rose's house, right? I can't think for you, but you don't give up a lottery pick and Battier for Stephen Jackson at his age and salary.
Saying he led the league in mpg doesn't undermine my argument. It shows that despite you thinking he's too old, he still can log heavy mins and play at a high level. Let me go slow for you now: His contract is a value given his skillset. If you think he gets paid too much then Battier must have the mother of all bloated contracts. Remember this is a guy who's an offensive threat, a very good defender, and a clutch player. If you can trade Battier for him straight up, you do it. If you have to include our 1st rd draft pick for next year, you still do it. If Battier was acquired with a lottery pick, I see no reason why Jackson, a multi-dimensional talented basketball player, can't or shouldn't be acquired with one. The lack of interest in the form of rumors and other info with regards to Battier demonstrates a couple of things. First, he's been overrated by Rockets fans and the media. Second, in order to move him and get some talent in return, he'll have to be packaged in with an asset like a draft pick. I would be overjoyed if we could get Outlaw and Fernandez or Jackson straight up for Battier, but even with his value sky high, it doesn't seem like Battier can fetch us much. I've made my case while you've just weakly attempted to critcize me, which doesn't surprise, but let's hear some proposals from you BMoney. It seems that you either want to hang on to an asset that is going to rapidly depreciate in the near future or you're looking for a salary dump. It also seems that you have something personal against Stephen Jackson even though he's worked harder to get where he's at and has accomplished more than Battier ever will as a professional bball player. Nothing wrong with any of the above, but I would appreciate it if you were honest with us.
this is easy, do not trade him! the guy is a warrior, give me one superstar and 4 shane battiers and i will show you all a championship, nba style baby
Oh sure, he's a decent offensive player, but he's 31, is only to get older, and is massively overpaid (10 million when he's 35?) And let's not even get into his reputation as a knucklehead. Even if Jackson is so much better than Battier, he is massively overpaid and would hinder our cap space to a large degree. I'm arguing that we really should not trade Battier unless it is definitely clear that we win, as at minimum he is the leader of the Rockets and will be a far better tutor for the young guys than volume shooters like Jackson.
This post is so absurd in so many ways that I'm not even sure where to start. I guess I'll just repost something I wrote in another similar thread.
.....seriously? Sure, he dooms our cap room, creates tension in a locker room, and has a rep for not taking good shots, but he's been on a NBA Championship team? And let's get Adam Morrison and Sun Yue while we're at it! And look at Battier - who'd he play for again? Oh, right, the Grizzlies, who are either the worst or second-worst run team in the league. Jackson had the fortune to play for San Antonio one of the best run teams, and Battier played for the Grizzlies, and then us, where no one has said he does not give 100% and has done very well for what he have. Um, why?
I am going to assume that you don't grasp the salary cap and how it influences front office decisions. I can't think for you, Bob.
Dude, I'm not the one who wants to trade Shane Battier and the 2010 first round pick for Stephen Jackson. Need I remind you that Stephen Jackson had a career year on a lottery team? I am not the one who has *no grasp whatsoever* of the salary cap. I am not the one who does not seem to understand that the NBA salary cap number is decreasing. The Rockets are rebuilding. I would rather let Battier expire than take on albatross contract like Jackson's. I am being honest when I say that your grasp of basketball is somewhere between that of used piece of gum and a fence post. My apologies to used gum.
